Head Gasket replacement 3 cylinder John Deere Diesel

My John Deere 510 diesel blew antifreeze outside and also inside into the oil pan from overheating.I left it sit for nearly a year,drained the antifreeze and oil yesterday and removed the head today.There was only approximately a litre and a half of antifreeze to drain.The gasket was intack when I seperated it from the engine and head.I have a new head gasket ready to set in place.The minimal damage to the old gasket concerns me.Antifreeze was blown out the opposite side of the engine from the exhaust the day it overheated practically in the centre of the gasket area.
Also, the 1st cylinder of the 3 cylinder diesel engine seems corroded around the top the pistion within 2 inches of the top,and the engine will not turn over at least without further cleaup and lubrication.I oiled all the surfaces when I finished the tear down until I can determine the best course of acton from here.Is this corrosion from the antifreeze or do I have something else happening here.If not, can I clean up the head,cylinder top and engine gasket surface,apply a new head gasket providing the head is straight.It looks good with the naked eye but I plan to check it with a straight edge.Bolt it all back together and start the engine? I would appreciate any help,i am not a mechanic. Thanks Ron

you'be got me a little confused. You said "the 1st cylinder of the 3 cylinder diesel engine ..."

What engine do you have? A 510 ought to have a big four cylinder engine like a 3020 uses, not a three cylinder.

You'd better check for other possible leaks if you didn't see something very obvious with the head gasket. That kind of leak on that Deere engine is pretty rare from a head gasket problem.
Eyeball the head closely and look for cracks - or at least rust trails that might point to a gasket leak near the problem cylinder.

I suspect it's a 3 cylinder Dubuque engine in a 10 speed Lance tractor. Likely located in Canada or Europe.
This might be a good time to find a buddy with some engine experience. And supply a BBQ, steaks, and some beer in exchange.
I'd feel better if the head was surfaced at the local machine shop. And use new head bolts plus a torque wrench.
I'll admit it's easy spend somebody else's cash but this is the time for testing the injectors as well. Not real expensive at an honest shop.

I'd be checking the sleeves for cavitation pin holes if I was working on it.

Well, I learned something new. I worked on many a 510 Deere - but all industrial tractors with big four cylinder engines. I never heard of the little Ag. model until you mentioned it and I looked it up at the tractor data site. Show it as being a German tractor with a Saran, France 152 engine - I think. For some reason, they are calling it a 151.9 c.i. From the specs, sounds somewhat similar to the 820 and 1020.

Pretty much the same engine found in the 2155 tractor.

Pretty much the same engine found in the 2155 tractor.

I had almost the same symptoms as you on my 3cyl IHC Diesel, except I used the tractor foralmost a year before finding time to take it apart. My gasket didn't look so bad either but I just ignored it. Cleaned everything up, checked with my precision carpenters square and highly calibrated eye, put everything back together and started it up. Runs fine. The corrosion is probably from leaving it set with water in the cylinder. I'd clean it and drive on, but that's just me.

Good luck,


Dave

The 310,510 & 710 were a early 1960"s 10 speed Lance tractor built in Mannheim Gemmany.
While they were no 1120,2020, 2120 etc. They were head and shoulders above the average diesel 2010.
The 1120,2020 etc were a Mannheim desgn. Some built in Dubuque, some in Mannheim. Mid 40 series the entire utility production became 100% Mannheim. Dubuque became 100% industrial.
The individual wet sleeve engine was Saran France built to the 20 series Bubuque design used on the 1020,1120,2020 etc.

Have the head cleaned and resurfaced an checked for cracks sometimes they only show up when hot. Better to safe than sorry.
Walt

Than you folks for your information,yes it is a German built model and really has 3 cylinders,mine has a front end loader as well.I have the tractor apart outside ,the first nice day I will puruse it futher with a better understanding thanks to your wonderful input.This is a informative forum,I enjoy it, thanks to all you wonderful people.I live in the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia.Thanks Guys!

Hey, that's where my distant grandmother comes from (to many "G"s to list). She was considered an Acadian heroin in her time - Cecile Boudreau.
It's been a while, she got famous in 1758 for leading Acadians to Nicolet, Québec.

Nice to see your post jdemaris about your distant grand mother being an Acadian.I love the Acadian Music and culture.I play fiddle myself and often listen to Cajun music.Mary Chapin Carpenter "Down at the Twist and Shout" for instance!Certainly the expulsion of the Acadians from Grand Pre near where I now live was not one of the prouder moments in our Canadian History.
I also have a French back ground having discovered our French connection recently.Two summers ago we visited France and met some of our French cousins living in Britany. My Great Great Grand father came from this area in France and was drafted into the navy duing the war and jumped ship so we believe in Newfoundland changed his name from L'Bulloch to Rioux his stepmothers name and lived his life there married and rasied a family of six.He farmed and worked a small lobster canning factory his own business.
We found out in France on our visit ,his own brother died not knowing what had happened to his brother,a sad story.He often went to the sea shore and stared across the water wondering what had happened to his beloved brother. We now believe he was too afraid to contact his family should he be caught by the French authortities.We are still contacting new cousins and uncovering the story triggered by a book "The Trail of the French Ancestory" I believe by author Bennett his first name escapes me at this moment coupled with the internet a family contact was made in France by my cousin and now we are learning about each other and our extended French family tree.
More to my point,I believe the Brittany area is the same area in France from which the Acadians originally came out from to settle in Nova Scotia.This is indeed an intriging story.Thank you for reading my tractor post. Cheers!

An update on my tractor,the head gasket has been replaced the head torqued in place and engine reassembled.I am now in the process of loading the diesel injector system in readiness to start the engine.I hope to achieve this tomorrow.

My question is there an easier way to do this other than hand pumping the fuel pump.Can air pressure be exerted to the fuel tank to force diesel fuel through the lines up to the injectors?

Researching French lineage can be interesting and frustrating. Many of my ancestors came from the Brittany area of northern France, and - when living in Nova Scoita - had the family name of Préjean-LeBreton. The "LeBreton" is an indicator of families from Brittany, France.

Both my parents were French - but one side from Canada/Nova Scotia/Northern France, and the other side directly from rural southern France near the spanish border, Department of Ariege.

I suspect if you've been working with any Canadian records, you've discovered the "extra" or "false" name problem? Usually called a "dit" or "ditte" name (pronouced DEET)?

The problem is - many French people upon arriving in Canada, either changed their names, or took on dual-names. Some just plain lied and recreated themselves. To make the problem even worse, the Canadian government forced many families to take on new names due to a French name shortage. There were so many French families with the same names it was hard for the government to identify people - so many were forced to take on extra names - added to the original - to narrow things down a bit.

Subsequently, many people now - in Canada and the USA, have names based on many things - not all, and sometimes not AT all, related to the original family name. To make things worse, most got spelled wrong by English speakers, and recorded that way.

The best way to start to sift this stuff out is with records kept by French priests - like Loiselle's Index.

In regard to actually going to France and doing research? You've done a lot better than I have. I still have relatives living in southern France and they won't lift a finger to help their American cousin (me). That because they love our money, and love our health care, but can't stand us otherwise (in many cases). My cousin came here and was a personal cook for president Kennedy. He then became head chef for Pan American airlines. He left all his children behind in France while he made his money here.
Then, he went back to France and says he hates Americans. A few years ago, his wife had a stroke. What did he do? Sent her to Long Island, New York, and stuck her in a nursing home to get free health care. Then went back to France and is still chasing women - and he's 89 years old.

(quoted from post at 18:29:01 10/23/08) An update on my tractor,the head gasket has been replaced the head torqued in place and engine reassembled.I am now in the process of loading the diesel injector system in readiness to start the engine.I hope to achieve this tomorrow.

My question is there an easier way to do this other than hand pumping the fuel pump.Can air pressure be exerted to the fuel tank to force diesel fuel through the lines up to the injectors?

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I just hooked my stuff back up and cranked it up. Took a little longer to start the first time and smooth itself out, but it's fine now. Somebody told me about having to pump fuel back into the system like you are talking about, but I didn't know how to do it and had nobody at the time to ask, so tried without it and things worked fine. Maybe it was just the luck of ignorance....

Good luck,


Dave