Hunters and private land.

Spook

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One of my neighbor's asked a guy to leave his property, and that night, somebody shot his ducks, in his pond. I've had fences cut, trees cut down for shooting lanes, trash left laying around, tree stands built into my trees. From my viewpoint, the average hunter is a slob. There is a reason why virtually all private land is posted "no hunting".
 
terry, whats that have to do with anything. its his land. Just this morning we had people out driving around shooting at deer from their pickup in our pasture. Hopefully the game warden will catch them. Its just like everything else nowadays. you have your small minority that ruins it for the rest. Maybe your one of the "good" ones or maybe your just a "good ol boy" - take your pick
 
Spook;

I have hunted for over 50 years and it seems every year there are more slobs out there. It's part of the instant-gratification crowd of the last few years. I don't let anyone hunt our land, not even family. One year my BIL cut sapplings to make shooting lanes.He left all the sharp stems about a foot tall--he used loppers to cut them. I was afraid to run my dog or worried about someone falling on them. Looked like a field of punji stakes. Nephew left bait piles all over. I only invite people I want to hunt with now.

The few bad apples are going to ruin it for everyone. But then that's the definition of a slob---cares only about himself.

Larry in Michigan
 
I fixed a cut fence just yesterday. Whats scary is when your sitting there waiting on a deer and you here all this noise coming your way. You slowly turn around and someone is standing there looking at you, then takes off.
 
We lost a big blue cow last year. They drug it under my electric fence onto land they had leased and dressed out their "blue" deere. Two days ago my grandsons had to crawl out under a hail of bullets from a pickup parked on the road. Too far away to get a liscense number.
 
I've been a hunter for over 30 years, and I've never cut a fence. I've never left a gate open. I've never shot, or shot at, a farmer's livestock or his pets. I've only trespassed accidentally a couple of times, in places where there was on fence, and when I was made aware of my error, I returned to the place where I had permission to hunt. I don't believe in leaving trash all over the woods, and if I can't find a way to carry my junk out with me, I dig a small hole in the woods and bury it. I try to hunt in such a way that I get invited back.

I don't consider myself an angel; I simply consider myself a hunter. And I consider those who do less to be jerks who should never be issued a hunting license, or ever allowed to hunt at all. I believe that each of us will eventually have to answer for what we've done in our lives, and I figure I've done enough other things wrong that I don't need to add sins against the landowners to the case against me.
 
Many years ago, was invited by a friend to hunt doves on this great spot. It was a great spot. We hadn't been there very long when some other folks showed up very angry that we were there.

Turned out my friend did not have permission to hunt on that land. I was mortified, apologized to the other folks and left immediately.

I never hunted with that person again.
 
I used to have those problems. I had a no hunting sign moved ahead to make room to park. then later it was shot with a shot gun.
Solved all those problems when I made it a privet hunting ground for game wardens only.
They normally get two deer and a coupla turkeys out each year and others do not even stop to ask any more. Had one guy about five years ago challenge me and I called the game warden and he went and had a talk with the fellow and that was that.
 
as I said in another posting its the slobs that ruin it for the good ones. My sons would like to get into hunting but you almost fear them getting hurt of killed by all the idiots. Guess they will have to bow hunt as this is safer in our area rather than shotgun. I am glad you cant shoot (leagally) deer in Iowa with rifle as the slob shotgunners in our neck of the woods are dangerous enough.
 
personally i"ve hunted from the same stand in the same draw for the last 16 years. its on a neighbor"s property. i have permission. i go out in the morning, sit in the same stand in the same tree, eat my lunch, snacks, drink my coffee, maybe see a deer or other animal, enjoy the day, and go home in the evening. usually get a few deer every year. i dont need to walk around, cut fences, disturb others, or leave behind a bunch of trash that i wouldnt want on my property. i"ve never had a problem. if more people would act like this instead of believing that they own the world just to find a big set of antlers, hunting would be better and safer i think. as far as i know, you cant eat antlers!
 
(quoted from post at 09:44:49 11/25/09) Are you a hunter Spook?

Yeah, been hunting since I was 14. Not much anymore, with the tb and CWS in the deer, I am not much interested in eating venison anymore. Hunters putting out huge bait piles were the cause of tb in Michigan's deer herd. I've seen pics of piles 100ft long, literally semi loads of carrots, corn, and hay. We used to pheasant hunt here, no birds anymore, not really sure why.
 
I just wondered if Spook was a hunter. If so, I wanted to know if he considered himself an average hunter or some other kind. Actually the point I am trying to make is this. Its not whether a person is a hunter or not. Its what kind of person he or she is. In the world today there is a problem, among many other problems of not taking responsibility for ones own actions, its just easier to blame someone else. I own land myself and yes I hunt. I also hunt on other peoples land and take care of it as it were my own.

There are people out there that trespass and carry guns that I do not consider to be hunters. They may be hunting but they are not hunters.
As far as the people that shoot at the deer in your pasture, they are not hunters in the true since of the word. They are lawbreakers who should be dealt with, and harshly.
They don't deserve to be called hunters.

I am not trying to cause a problem but I am what a person would consider an average hunter. I work for a living and feel blessed that I have a job, and hunting is what I do for a hobby and to enjoy the outdoors. I am not a professional hunter by any means.

I just don't think that the "average hunter" as Spook says, is a slob. A landowner has a right to let or not let someone else use or access his/her land. They need not give any reason, its their land.

I guess since we are using a computer, we could then say because there are computer hackers and virus makers that we need to be aware of, that the average computer user is a slob or troublemaker. I just don't see it that way. Its too easy to just say a particular group of people is this way or that way when its just a few that cause all the problems.


Sorry for the long post but as an "average hunter" I took offense.
 
Had a property owner shoot a deer hunter here yesterday (New York). Owner was in a tree stand and shot the guy with a 30-30. I suspect that would sting a little. Tresspasser was dressed in a camo outfit and the owner said he thought the guy was a deer.

I've got mixed feelings on this one. No way should anybody be shooting anything unless they are sure what it is. Especially since the owner had an antlered buck license only. But, on the other hand - I'm familiar with the urge to shoot tresspassers after they've trashed fields, cut down fences, cut trees, etc. Even had one guy take a dozer and build a road though my property.

The guy with the 30 caliber bullet in him is in intensive care and they say he's going to live.
 
Spook I did not mean anything bad by asking you if you were a hunter. I am glad you are. The sport of hunting and the hunting way of life that some call it is fast becoming one of the ways for the anti-hunters to our 2nd ammendment right.If it wasn't for the ability of our men in the revolutionary war to be able to bear arms and defeat the British Army, who knows what we may or may not be able to do today. I am no gun nut, I just believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. My father was a WW2 vet and was also POW in Germany. He fought for our freedoms and I hope that he did not suffer what he and many others suffered to be in vain.

I'm not sure how your comment led me to this but if we do not stop and think about things, our rights will continue to be slowly eroded away from us.
 
I don't think it's hunting necessarily, it's more that people are just lazy. Every year we have to close off at least one of our fields because someone who could just park and walk doesn't, they have to drive across the blasted thing. It's wet here in November, they rut easily. They know better, it's just easier for them and it's not their land so who cares.

None of our land is posted but it makes you think about it.

I have a friend who is a world class hunter. Asks before he hunts, every year. Never leaves a mark and prefers to go places no one else will, which usually scores him bigger deer. If he get a deer on your property he stops in to say thanks and drops off a package on venison too. Nothing he does is really that big a deal but it sure makes sure makes for a stellar reputation.

As far a fence cutting, shooting live stock etc, there's simply no room for that. Thugs with guns, think the world is they're play ground. We've never had any issues with hunters but 4 wheelers tend to try to get back at us at times.

K
 
About ten years ago, my niece's husband took it upon himself to invite a bunch of his buddies to hunt on my place. He didn't even have permission himself. I caught them and threw the whole bunch off the place, my niece's husband included. He wouldn't speak to me for a couple of years, but it wasn't the first time.

Now, there are six guys besides myself who hunt on my place, and then no more than two at a time. We've all hunted and socialized together for 30 to 40 years, and I know they'll do it right.
 
I am very picky about who hunts here. First of all if some doesn't have time to help cut tobacco a few Saturdays I don't have time to make sure the gates are not locked if they want to hunt. If some one works the bottom of the barn for two days they want to hunt bad enough they ain't gonna screw it up!! 2nd, if they shoot a buck before shooting a slick head or two they don't come back. I let mostly family and a few guys I work with hunt, tell them what I want up front and have never had a problem.

Dave
 
Those Posted signs sure are ugly. I reluctantly set out 50 around my property when I realized how big my problem was. Before me, an absentee owner, so it was considered "public" property for a few decades.

Then I got smart. A small group leases hunting here. I get several hundred dollars, which they know is a bargain. Va law is protective of landowners who do this. My group's primary responsibility is to run off anyone who doesn't belong here, relieving me of that duty. They pay, so they're motivated. Normally take ~25 deer, but this year's looking skimpy. I'm waiting for my bear half, turkey I have to go get myself.

New requests I send to the guy who organized the group. He keeps a waiting list, but there's no turnover. No turn-downs come from me.

Works like a dream. I take whatever I want, and bring in anybody I want. T_Bone (in Arizona) got an invite, but he thinks it's kind of a long drive. Delivery ain't gonna happen.
 
I used to hunt a bunch up in MN. Where we were, there was literally tons of public land, federal, state and county. I like venison, but never really did like deer hunting. Bird hunting appeals to me much more. I can take the kids with me and not worry about their noise and everyone has a good time.

I have never hunted on someone else's land without first being given permission, nor would I ever do so. Just something about being neighborly.

All that being said, I don't hunt hardly at all anymore. I didn't realize it at the time, but raising broiler chickens on pasture did it to me. I kill several hundred of these birds every year, not to mention hogs and a steer for our freezers. I guess that is enough killing for me. I don't care to do any more than that.

Rabbits are, of course, an exception. We've got lots of them, and besides, they've been eating for free out of our gardens....

Christopher
 
The problem with that here in NY you would be liable to the group you lease to in terms of injury, death, etc.. That has made some owners here feel the need to go a different direction. I know a few that forgo collecting any money because of this and have a simple arrangement with a designated party to be on the land during the season. Less protection for the designated hunter but they know that going in.
However, I agree it is good if you can get somebody you trust to occupy it. Wish NY worked liked Virginia in this respect.
 
A neighbor and his hired man caught a guy in a tree stand and ordered him off the property. The hunter replied "I"ve got a gun". The neighbor started to get mad, but his hired man got him to leave. When they got to the pickup the hired man took out his 7 mm and dropped a limb down on the hunter and hollered back we got a gun too.
 
I love bowhunting. I kinda wish IL would get rid of the shotgun season. Too many weekend warriors that give the rest of us bad reps.
My dad, brother, and I hunt on my great-uncle's property. We mow the grass around the clubhouse, maintain the roads through the timber (he likes to drive around in his pickup, and anything and everything that needs to be done. We might trim one branch here or there but they are no bigger than you finger.
Guys who shotgun hunt the property adjacent to ours constantly trespass and shoot onto our property. They call us the "Gestapo" (spelling?) 'cause when we kill out we are on guard duty patrolling the property lines.
 
Most hunters are decent guys, but there are that 20% that are out to do what they want, cause they dont care.

On the back of my land was many "NO HUNTING" signs. All the signs have been torn down by someone. If I catch anyone in the back of my land hunting it will get real ugly and I dont mean name calling.
 
Yes, the State Police arrested him. He did it to get logging access to some interior land, and wanted a road suitable to run a log-truck on.

When they first arrested him, he claimed he did me a "favor" and built me a free road. Technically, that is correct. Problem is, I didn't want the road or the trees removed.
 
I wish it were the other way around. I wish they would do away with bow season. Or at least end shooting hours at around 2 pm. or so. Bow hunters are by far the worst tresspassers. They don"t have to wear blaze orange and their weapons make no noise. They are difficult to catch and they know it. Why close shooting at 2pm? Because they lose too many deer. They arrow one right at dark. Then it runs a half mile before it dies and they can"t find them in the dark. Deer is eaten by coyotes by sunrise. Deer kill numbers are going down in Illinois. It"s no mystery to me as to why. It"s inept bowhunters. As compound bows came out and got easier to use, a lot of women, kids and city boys have taken up the sport. Shooting a bow takes much skill, dedication and practice. They don"t have it. They are the real slob hunters. Take the offical bowkill numbers and double or triple them. Then add 25% more because they closed the check stations. I own and rent a fair amount of farmland in one one of the top 3 deer counties in Illinois. I can"t begin to tell you how many unretrieved arrowed deer we have found over the years. And people wonder why deer numbers are going down!
 
I hunted a spot for over 20 years.
It was abandoned and the owner lived out of state and he kept the taxes up so he and his family could hunt it .

Never, was it ever posted 214 acres o prime hunting
This man although he had to pay non resident fees to hunt his own land left anyone that used good hunting manners to be there.

One day A fellow approached him and got to talking to him and ask where he was from ? "He Said Ohio" Then this fellow continued to say the land owner didn't allow strangers on his property and it would be best to leave .

He ask where the owner lived He said he just lives across the hill, cause the old farmhouse had burned. Owner ask what's his name ? hunter said RAY ****** and he was correct but didn't realize he was talking to him, needless to say the intruder was the only one to get kicked off Rays' property.

The following year Ray sold that property to some guys in Pittsburgh and all that is allowed to hunt on it are a few doctors and lawyers . cause it is now posted year round No Trespassing and new signs are put up for hunting.
 
Just last night, a pick-up drove by slow. No spotlight to draw attention. Along the field west of the house, he stopped and someone in the back fired a high powered rifle. They are starting to use night vision scopes so it does not draw attention as much.

Poaching has been a problem around here for many years. And most of the time, it is not someone who is truly needy for food. It is usually teens to mid 20's looking for the biggest rack for bragging rights, even bragging that they did not get caught- yet.
 
You might mention it to your state representative to take a look at how things are done here. It encourages landowners to make a deal with a hunt club (mine has 6 members), which eases hunting pressures elsewhere.

The cost of the lease is the liability determining factor here, by statute. Charge too much, you're running a business and need liability insurance, which often isn't a very expensive rider on a homeowners' policy. The limit is the amount of property tax. I charge less, almost eliminating my liability. I'm still responsible for warning about open wells, quarries, dangerous buildings and such. Same as if no money changed hands.

For states with more landowner risk, it should be a matter of whether the lease would cover an adequate liability policy. Presenting it that way to a group might very well motivate them to pay. Or encourage their state representatives to create a better program.

Ours works well. Half a million hunters from a population of 8 million. It's a right, according to our constitution.
 
We found a nice young buck carcass starting of rifle season, missing his head. Looked like he had been arrowed, and ran. Hunter probably followed him down, and cut off his head for the horns. Was there probably a week before son found him.

Had a young fellow shoot a doe on neighboring property this season. Dad and buddies wandered around on the meadow a few minutes, and drove off. Wandered down, and found blood trail onto my place a blind man could have followed. Tracked it down and contacted neighbor to recover his deer.

We've had a number of incidents over the years, but these two about take the cake!
 
Sounds to me like the owner behaved like a fool.

Consider:

One day A fellow approached him and got to talking to him and ask where he was from ? "He Said Ohio" Then this fellow continued to say the land owner didn't allow strangers on his property and it would be best to leave .

He ask where the owner lived He said he just lives across the hill, cause the old farmhouse had burned. Owner ask what's his name ? hunter said RAY ****** and he was correct but didn't realize he was talking to him, needless to say the intruder was the only one to get kicked off Rays' property.

Sounds to me like the neighbor was trying to keep trespassers off of an absentee landowners property. Probably from a responsible sense of being a good neighbor. For his trouble he got a browbeating and ejected from property he had probably kept an eye on for years.

Sounds to me like more of an ill conceived power trip on the owners part. Wonder how that property will fair with no one keeping an eye on it and an absentee landowever. My guess is he didn't do himself any favors.
 
When i bought this house we have lived in for over 50 years, the area was mostly farm land, and hunting was allowed.
Then came the land buyers, and the developers, and the mexicans, chinese, east indians, and soon the whole township looked like a zoo!
Of course, that ended the hunting. But, it didn't end the deer problems, since the deer had a safe place to live now!
Well, they still allow bow hunting. There is a local lad, who bow hunts--always asks for permission, parks out of the way where i tell him to park, and offers some venison, if he bags a deer! There is still some wood lots around my place, and the guy next door still hunts his land, and has no problems with my friend hunting there, too.
Being nice to folks is lots better than being a bad axe!
 
I've got a solution for any dog I don't recognize. Very effective. That is an unattended dog. If I know the owner is nearby, I go about things differently.

Christopher
 
Like I said he sold property and the ones that bought it can and will prosecute any trespassers.

Game wardens patrol it all the time for the safety of the lawyers that now have ownership.

I'd say now they are probably getting a little "Kick Back" for doing so.

2 wardens live in the area and they don't go far from home.

This Ray was getting up in years and just gave it up.

This was Rays homestead and wanted it for his kids to be able to hunt. I and he didn't feel it right that someone didn't know what he was talking about should try to through him, [the owner] off his own land.
 
My road is 2 mi long and everyone is a dad or a son. My idiot neighbor decided they should do put-and-take pheasant hunting. They procede to post their land-no problem. But they make sure they stick a sign every 50 ft in front of me and my dads places. as if we're gonna run out andhunt their land-never have-never will. My house has been peppered with shot four times. These guys have 300 plus acres but have to do this in front of our houses, mind you the law says, no shooting within 450 ft of house. Stupid city slickers have to poke the birds with their gun barrels to get them to fly.
 
My biggest problem with hunters is I can't find hunters that want to shoot a lot of deer for the meat rather most want to 'trophy' hunt which shooting a big buck is fine just shoot the does too.Finally have found several guys with large families that need the meat plus I get all the deer meat I want from them.Deer are my #1 aggravation wish they would go extinct
 
Last fall I found a portable tree stand 100 yards behind my house. I removed it and expectecd someone to come and claim it. No one did.

My BIL found a portable tree stand w/ladder on his property (posted) this fall. He spray painted it orange. A neighbor shows up 2 days later and wanted to know if my BIL had painted it. He told the guy he had 24 hours to remove it or he would press charges. It was gone.

This past week we had a 14 year old get shot in the stomach while he was setting traps with his father. The guy that shot him said he thought he was a turkey and then took off.
 
Yup. Had a problem with the previous owner telling everyone he still had hunting rights. Problem was, he never could PROVE he had them (I could prove, however, that he DIDN'T). People would be out there hunting on my land without even so much as a phone call telling me they were there.
Somebody had to be the "bad guy" so I clamped down on it.
 

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