Urea for your pickup

The countdown is about over and all diesel engines built after the first of the year will have to meet new EPA standards.

I have been doing a little reading on the subject and (IF I understand the system correctly) it seems most but not all manufactures are going to do this by using a Urea and water mix relabled as Diesel Exhaust Fluid.
The process involves injecting the urea/water mix into the exhaust system of the diesel engine. While bigger trucks will have to fuel this seperate tank more often I THINK smaller pickups can get by with a fill up once every oil change.

I wonder how this new product will affect....

1) Urea prices for fertilizer and/or since urea is made from natural gas how will it affect that gas price.

2) Since it seems Dodge will not be using this but Ford and GM will; how will this effect your decision on brand you buy.

3) Since a body waste has a lot of urea in it how long will it take before some idiot tries using this body waste in his pickups urea tank just to see if it works.
 
The choices basically come down to urea or massive EGR. Neither are really "good" solutions. Massive EGR will result in a big hit to mileage since up to about 50% of the exhaust gas is fed back to the intake. Urea systems result in one more thing to keep tabs on. Given an option, I would take urea, but I think I'll just keep driving my '01 Ram until the end of the world as we know it.
 
At work, our 2010 Volvo's will use the Urea injection. We will buy it in 55 gallon drums. Uses about 1 gal. every 1000 miles. Will have a tank heater so it doesn't freeze.
 
I would think the amount of urea used in diesel trucks will be infinitesimal compared to what goes into fertilizer.

There's always teething pains any time new technology. I'm sure it will take a couple of years of production before these new systems work well; it would be a good idea to put off any new diesel truck purchases for the next year.
 
I have a 2009 dodge cummins with the bluetec engine. (2010 emissions standard) exhaust system runs hotter, but no effect on the engine temp or power. about a 2 mpg drop over the 2002 dodge. average about 17.5 mpg allaround farm truck. lots of stigma over the new emession standards, but not many big problems.
 
We tried out a new Challenger wheel tractor at the farm this fall. It had urea injection. Smaller tank right next door to the fuel tank. Guy said it needs to be topped off at every oil change. Kinda did a little double-take when I went to put fuel in it. Never had to choose which tank to fill before ; ) Impressive tractor otherwise.
 

Not a problem. The computer re-programming companies will have a "solution" of their own.
Load the program and an empty urea tank will not bring on check engine light. They have the work around for the exhaust scrubbers too.
 
THANK YOU ,but, i will keep my 95 Cummins /5speed positive track and 20+mpg forever then , after all it only has 300thousand on it, Lot simpler than the Modern B/S design , Honestly cant see near the exhaust coming out of it compared to the Modern BULL/s--t trucks ,smells better Too,,. yeah ,Maybe They might click out a few extra hp , but I havnt pulled anything YET that DEMANDED I need More Power , , Why Is AMERICAN industry listening to a gov'mt' that is Hellbent on going BACKWARDS .????...
 
Diesels probably would have been left alone except they are so popular now.

You can mostly thanks those retards with their fuel screws and timing tweaked that belch giant clouds of soot off every light. I'm glad locally they are nailing them with tickets. No need for that kind of fueling driving around town.
 
(quoted from post at 21:59:03 12/26/09) THANK YOU ,but, i will keep my 95 Cummins /5speed positive track and 20+mpg forever then , after all it only has 300thousand on it, Lot simpler than the Modern B/S design , Honestly cant see near the exhaust coming out of it compared to the Modern BULL/s--t trucks ,smells better Too,,. yeah ,Maybe They might click out a few extra hp , but I havnt pulled anything YET that DEMANDED I need More Power , , Why Is AMERICAN industry listening to a gov'mt' that is Hellbent on going BACKWARDS .????...

You can thank the abundant bleeding heart types who have infiltrated the media, learning institutions and government agencies. Plus the generally ignorant populace who vote like sheep. Of course the scared politicians are going to pander to those who control their votes.

On the other hand I have heard for decades that older is better. The old geezers used to moan about the how the new fangled and complicated 4020 could never replace the 720/730.820/830. Now the 4020 is the simple old reliable and better machine that can't be replaced. How long until the old timers moan that the new stuff is no good and they like their simple old reliable 2009 model.
 

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