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Kirk In Ks,

03-17-2007 05:10:04

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What in the heck is that little tower thing on my reserve Hyd tank?(right side)?
Is that where you fill it,or is it a type of nipple,
this W-6 is really cool for pulling, or just mowing or plowing,
I pull this 3-16 plow behind it and it does it really good,
An A Johnny wont do it, No Power,

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sjh

03-17-2007 17:51:01

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Re: W-6,s in reply to Kirk In Ks,, 03-17-2007 05:10:04

Kirk
Did you get my e-mail? I got the spindles off for you.
Scott

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Kirk In Ks,

03-17-2007 19:14:36

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Re: W-6,s in reply to sjh, 03-17-2007 17:51:01

yes I did, and i have to wait till I can get mine off then Ill get your,s ok
Scott,
Kirk,

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chadd

03-17-2007 14:09:40

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Re: W-6,s in reply to Kirk In Ks,, 03-17-2007 05:10:04

It houses the pressure relief valve for your hydraulic system. When the pressure gets too high, it will push the little ball up against the spring and will push some of the fluid into the reservoir again so that it relieves the pressure. When the pressure drops back to normal, the ball reseats.

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Kirk In Ks,

03-17-2007 19:28:49

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Re: W-6,s in reply to chadd, 03-17-2007 14:09:40

CHADD, i NEED YOUR HELP REALLLLL LLY BAD ON THIS,
OK if the pressure valve is working,
then why did the dumb fluid back up in to the pump and then the sump?
I know the system is supposed to have a line to the left side,then out to the 2 line,s with a lever on the left fender coming from a metal line
off a nipple out the left side of reserve tank,
then two hose,s coming out of twin nipple,s to the inside of a shield on left side of tranny case,then out to the back,
I mean something dosnt figure?
chadd, go to the pic,s of the tractor,in part,s and piece,s and take a look at it what it is? right now?

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chadd

03-17-2007 21:48:03

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Re: W-6,s in reply to Kirk In Ks,, 03-17-2007 19:28:49

Ok, the hydraulic system should be set up as follows:
The pump should be mounted on the distributor drive and have two hoses coming from it.
The larger diameter hose is the suction hose for the pump and should run back to the elbow coming out of the bottom of the left side of the reservoir. The smaller diameter hose should run into the hole in the front side of the "tower" or safety relief valve. From there, a hose should run back from the back side of the relief valve to the front of the hydraulic control valve (the odd shaped tower with the lever on it). There should be another hose from the bottom of the front side of the control valve back to the reservoir through the low hole on the left side of the reservoir (the one beneath where you add the fluid and that has the pipe plug in it). There should be two hoses from the back of the control valve to the back of the tractor, where they should each have their own coupler to hook to equipment.

I don't know what you mean about how fluid "backed up into the pump." The pump must always be filled with fluid and there is no way for fluid to be backed up in a pump. If you mean that the fluid wasn't circulating, either the pump was worn out or the hoses were plugged. Also, inside the reservoir and behind the lower elbow on the right side of the reservoir is a screen. If that screen is plugged the pump will not get oil. The pump filled the crankcase with oil because the seals are shot. They either burned up or just wore out. From there, the pump pushes hydraulic fluid through the distributor drive to the oil pan. The pump will need to be rebuilt or replaced or the same thing will keep happening. I see nothing wrong with the way your hydraulic system is setup that would cause pump damage. You would not be able to use the hydraulics for anything this way (all of the outlets are plugged, but it would just continue to pump fluid out of the reservoir and then back into it presuming the relief is working properly. It is possible that the seal just finally gave out from age or that one of your distributor drive bushings are going bad. Only you can tell.

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Kirk In Ks,

03-18-2007 08:13:18

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Re: W-6,s in reply to chadd, 03-17-2007 21:48:03

Hi Chadd,
It,s Kirk,
I was going over your letter, and you are right on about alll this stuff, I was seeing that the top hose was warm to the touch and vibrating a little?
So,,, that was puzzeling me as to what the pump was doing? I was in a parade last summer, and all was well ,except when I went to drive it home from the yard it was in where the plow day was,
I got it started, and drove it down the road to the highway,
It started to labor, and the pump wes hot and smoking,
I shut it down right there chadd, Tried to start it again, it was turning hard, So I later put some fluid in the res tank, and the thing started right up no problem,maybe low on fluid?
So,,, I started down the back road to my place,
and I was halfway there and fluid or oil one or the other was running out the bottom under the clutch housing,
I stopped again, and this guy I know towed me home from there on to my place,
And there it has sat till now wondering what was wrong with it,
Chadd, I thought you filled the oil in the front, and the hyd fluid in to the res tank in back?
Maybe Ill open that tower and take a look at it to see if the ball and spring are working?
Ill be back later ok,
Kirk,

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chadd

03-19-2007 05:10:59

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Re: W-6,s in reply to Kirk In Ks,, 03-18-2007 08:13:18

If the pump got hot enough to start smoking, it is a fair assumption that it is toast. The pump mounted on the distributor drive is a gear pump with two steel gears inside an aluminum housing. With no oil, it will score the housing up very bad, and will burn the seals out of it or quickly wear down the shafts where the seals touch. You will need to get the pump rebuilt. You add engine oil by removing the cast iron cap with the two tabs 180 degrees apart by turning it counter-clockwise. The cap is located on top of the front of the distributor drive. Open the test plug by screwing the top diamond shaped knob counterclockwise. When oil drips out slowly, the crankcase is full and you should stop adding oil and close the test plug by screwing it clockwise. The hydraulic fluid should be added to the reservoir, which is the big cylindrical tank, by removing the plug with the T-handle on the upper left side of the tank. The transmission and differential are filled through the pipe plug mounted on the platform right behind the steering box. There is a check plug on the left hand side of the tractor's transmission that is used to see if it is low or not. If it doesn't come out of the hole the plug was in, it is low. Have you drained the engine oil yet? How much came out? If you drained several (4 or more) gallons out of the engine crankcase and it smelled like hydraulic fluid, your pump is shot. That means no matter how much oil you add, it will continue to dump it into the engine crankcase past the bad seals and dilute the engine oil until it leaks out the rear main oil seal on the crankshaft again or the pump finally locks up.

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glennster

03-17-2007 11:33:19

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Re: W-6,s in reply to Kirk In Ks,, 03-17-2007 05:10:04

kirk, can you post a picture of the tower? could be a fill, or some secret farmer type home made accesory. glad yor enjoying the w-6. the standards are a comfortable tractor to run. someday i'd like to sneek a w-6 and a w-4 into my harem, but i'd have to hide them from the mrs. heres my w-9 and cub

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