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O. T. The house is on fire.

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georgeky

04-08-2007 07:56:51




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I was reading the recent post a few minutes ago and heard popping and cracking. When I turned towards the wood stove and looked flames were coming out the wall behind it. I ran and got the axe and hose and went to work. I got the fire out, but now have a big hole in the wall to fix. That is better than building a new one right now. Glad I was here and awake. Be careful with them wood stoves.




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gots-2-go

04-08-2007 22:19:44




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 07:56:51  
George,

Remember that hole in the wall can alway's be repaired.

Thank god no one was lost or injured.



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GA Dave

04-08-2007 18:14:32




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 07:56:51  
Nobody mentioned SMOKE DETECTORS or CARBON MONOXIDE detectors. Life and property protectors. David.



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Yugrotcart

04-08-2007 08:23:21




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 07:56:51  
Had a chimney fire a few years ago. Wife was home with some little kids she was looking after. She put her foot down and said no more. We went and bought a free standing gas fireplace and we both love it. No more worries. Here in Canada insurance companies don't like woodstoves.

Paul



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IaGary

04-08-2007 16:06:22




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to Yugrotcart, 04-08-2007 08:23:21  
I'm with yugrotcart. We had a chimmey fire once when we were home and took the stove out the next day.

Life is to short to lay awake every nite and wonder if all is ok with the wood stove.

Will never burn wood again in a house.

I do burn some in the shop but only when I am in there. Lp furnace at nite.

Gary



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John S-B

04-08-2007 16:25:07




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to IaGary, 04-08-2007 16:06:22  
That's why if I build my shop I am going to use an outdoor wood furnace, probably one from Central Boiler. Absolutely no chance of a fire from those.



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T_Bone

04-09-2007 01:23:48




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to John S-B, 04-08-2007 16:25:07  
Even to my own Dad I suggested he take out the woodstove and have a gas furnace installed.

Back when I was just a pup and entered the trade, Dad decided to install a wood stove and asked me what he needed to do. Well with me not having any experience, I asked the guys I was working with what was needed. Wrote my Dad out a detailed install and operation list.

Went to see Dad&Mom that winter and Dad had installed the chimney 3ft short of recomended code and this didn't let the stack draw very well. Dad says " That SS vent pipe is just too dam expensive"

He lit a fire that night and after a few seconds after lighting the fire he dampered the vent down to almost nothing. I said " are you not going to burn off the creosote of the stack?", " "Na, it don't need it, I did that last week"

The second year I'm over for another winter visit and Dad had replaced the woodstove with a gas furance. Seams like the chimeny caught fire from the 1/2" of creosote build up inside the stack. He says when he kicked over the vent pipe on the roof and put the water to the hot vent pipe "the creosote chunks and flames were shooting out of the stack like roman candle". The fire burnt the entire corner of the attic and roof outside support walls in the livingroom before he got the fire out.

I tried to once again explain to Dad that this was just what would happen when I tried to explain to him the year before of the reason he didn't want a short vent nor refuse to burn the creosote out of the vent on each fire up.

I've been using a woodstove for the past 25yrs and have yet had to clean any creosote out of my stack and have never had a uncontrolled fire of any type. Yes I do my yearly inspections and if I burn more than 5 cords in one year, I reinspect. I sleep very well at night.

T_Bone

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Janicholson

04-08-2007 08:19:25




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 07:56:51  
Pyrotechnic Easter bunnies!!!
That is a most fortunate alertness on your part, Well done. The thing is you would need that hole to put in fire proofing anyway. Good luck, and better fortune. I just spent the better part of 1800 replacing the Heat-o-later system in my 1938 house. It had rusted through like Tom winsors oil pickup and pan on his H. Seasons greetings JimN



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Wardner

04-08-2007 08:17:05




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 07:56:51  
So what caused the fire?

Was the stove too close to wall? Was there a chimney problem? What kind of chimney? Were you following local permit guidelines.

How do we learn from this if we don't get a cause for the problem?



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georgeky

04-08-2007 08:45:08




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to Wardner, 04-08-2007 08:17:05  
I just came from making an inspection on it, and it looks like the thimble that goes through the wall has cracked, and the steel liner has rotted into on the bottom and creasote had dripped through the thimble and down the inside of the wall. The stud was on fire at the floor and all the way up the wall. When I noticed it flames were a foot high coming out the top of the wall at the ceiling. I busted the wall out with an axe and put the water to it. I have been watching for hot spots, but so far so good. I was going to rebuild that wall this spring, was trying to wait until I had quit using the stove. I already have the material, so it will get done starting tomorrow.

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scotty

04-08-2007 11:03:45




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 08:45:08  
Mornin George, Happy Easter and glad you didnt have more damage!

I have been a volunteer fireman for 25 years and have seen that many times and worse. My wood stove is in my basement and is surrounded by concrete and the clay thimble goes through the concrete wall and I still keep a watchful eye on it, infact I still have it running because its so darn cold :"(

The good Lord was watching over you today ! Amen !


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georgeky

04-08-2007 12:33:52




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to scotty, 04-08-2007 11:03:45  
Scotty, this is not the first time I have had thimble trouble. In Dec,2000 My house burned to the ground due to thimble trouble. It was an old two story house, and for some reason it had thimbles installed in the upstairs rooms. They had been plugged up before I moved there with coffee cans and mortar. As you can imagine the mortar cracked and let a spark start a old oil painting hanging over the thimble to catch fire. This was at 4:00 am. Both my boys were asleep upstairs, as luck would have it the painting dripped on the younger boys bed and it caught on fire. The heat from the burning quilts woke him up and everyone got out OK.That time we lost almost everything. This time I had good water supply and an axe handy, Had I been at the barn it would have been lost as well.

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Wardner

04-08-2007 14:28:26




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 12:33:52  
George, have you thought about shoveling the oats to your livestock and living in the barn?



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georgeky

04-08-2007 15:03:34




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to Wardner, 04-08-2007 14:28:26  
Wardner, I don't think I'll move to the barn yet, but I am going to build a new flue. This thing has went to pieces. I checked it out in the fall before I started using it and it appeared OK. The mortar under the thimble has fallen out and with the crack it must have let hot embers get to the wood framing that was under the mortar. I am going to check it 3 or 4 times a year from now on.



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T_Bone

04-09-2007 00:40:37




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 15:03:34  
George there's no way to sugar coat a response. You need to have another type of heating appliance "professional" installed.

You have had two wood stove vent failures that are extremely rare when there installed and operated correctly.

I just don't want to hear that your family has been killed from the next wood stove fire that occures.

I spent the past 35yrs as a HVAC&R engineer so I know what I'm talking about.

T_Bone

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billyiron

04-08-2007 08:10:59




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to georgeky, 04-08-2007 07:56:51  
MERCY!!!!



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Vern-MI

04-08-2007 11:41:18




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to billyiron, 04-08-2007 08:10:59  
Holy Smoke!



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Karl Hamson

04-08-2007 09:24:32




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 Re: O. T. The house is on fire. in reply to billyiron, 04-08-2007 08:10:59  
Living on an island with no gas supply, most folks here use wood heat. I was a volunteer fireman for many years and attended too many chimney fires or wall fires behind the chimney. Make sure chimneys and flues are checked annually and that codes regarding clearances, etc are adhered to. That was a close call. Happy Easter.
Karl



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