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nspec

04-29-2007 14:00:47




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I"m replacing the disc brakes on my 53 super h. I got everything apart and the discs were all glazed, while the housings/drums/actuators had light surface rust, dirt and some water inside them. Is this normal on an older very used tractor?

How do I prevent the water from getting in? No oil leaks, so do I really need to replace the oil seal? Also, if no oil leaks, can I assume no water getting past the seal to the gear oil?

Thanks in advance!

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GordoSD

04-30-2007 21:03:41




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to nspec, 04-29-2007 14:00:47  
I just acquired a Stage II Super H. Last week of production. Had very little left brake , no right brake. I tore the right brake apart. Some suface rust on the plates, discs almost full thickness. Cleaned everything, used 32 grit flap wheels. New chrome balls, graphite on them. Polished ramps. Polished splines and lubed with never seize. All the tricks I could glean from BobM in the archives. Now have 'fair' braking, but have to stand on them hard. No way to 'stop' the tire. Last best guess is that I have replacement discs made of HARD material. When I disassembeled after driving around dragging the brake the discs were already 'glazed'. So will try the rasp on them. That was my thought anyway after looking at the glazing. Anyone have a Super H they can easily lock a tire on?

Gordo

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David Goode

04-29-2007 17:48:18




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to nspec, 04-29-2007 14:00:47  
There are little rubber boots that go on the bolt that conects to the brake shaft. If these boots are missing there is a very good chance that water and dirt could get in. I have a '52 Super M that was ran every day up until two years ago on a dairy farm, there was no water inside the brakes BUT dirt found it's way into them. The new rubber boots help protect against that stuff. They cost about $3 ?? You can buy them on this web site. -David Goode Coggon, IA

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Hugh MacKay

04-29-2007 15:06:54




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to nspec, 04-29-2007 14:00:47  
nspec: By now you must have heard the old saying, "If it aint broke, don't fix it". Your seals aren't leaking, and if oil is not coming out, water certainly isn't going in.

Your water and rust are a result of moisture getting in around actuators. If your tractor was worked regularly, heat would evaporate the water, and there would be no rust. These old Farmalls were meant to be stored inside during extended periods of non use.

You may not even need the brake discs. Clean the balls and ramps well, make sure the springs are good. Find a rasp and rough the surface of the glazed discs. My dad ran two of these tractors, with 3 sets of discs; one in each tractor and one set out for rasping, and never bought discs for years. I know 35 years later one tractor was gone, and I was still rotating two of the same sets of discs. The glazing is caused when ramps and balls are dirty, thus the brakes don't release properly. Cleaning these mechanical disc brakes, making sure all springs are good, was and still is an annual job. Do that and they work well.

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nspec

04-29-2007 17:53:45




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-29-2007 15:06:54  
Thanks a bunch. I appreciate the advice. Should I use any type of gasket sealer when reassembling the housing to help keep moisture out? The tractor will be mostly idle - I'm just restoring it.



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Hugh MacKay

04-29-2007 18:21:15




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to nspec, 04-29-2007 17:53:45  
nspec: Gasket sealer around that housing will definitely not hurt anything, it may help but I expect most moisture enters from faulty gromets around the actuators. Here again, tractors being worked everyday evaporate any moisture in there.

I put close to 20,000 hours on 300, only ever had the one extra set of discs my dad bought for H and 300. I put 11,000 hours on my 560 and 15,000 on 656 and each had one set of replacment discs. The annual cleaning is the single most important item you can do. My memory is a bit shaky on this but I think the IH operator's manual calls for yearly or every 500 hours.

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Bob M

04-29-2007 18:16:21




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to nspec, 04-29-2007 17:53:45  
Red or blue silicone gasket maker applied lightly to the machined brake surfaces where they meet the backing plate certainly won't hurt!

However you can, store the tractor in under a roof. Then water in the brakes, etc. will not be a problem. But if must stay outside at least put a tarp over the seat and steering wheel so the transmission and brakes are covered.

Be aware most of water that ends up in the transmission seeps in around the cover plate cap screws - the ones recessed into the cover plate. Rainwater also runs down the shift lever and into the transmission.

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nspec

04-29-2007 18:24:29




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 Re: disc brakes - super h in reply to Bob M, 04-29-2007 18:16:21  
Yeah, the transmission cover plate cap screws are also on my list. They are pretty well worn and rusted - I'm sure water is getting in. Can I just unbolt them and replace? Do I use a gasket maker around the heads to help? I do hope to get it inside eventually.



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