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CNKS

05-20-2007 18:27:07




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Or whatever the thing is called. What does it do on a 12 volt system? I thought they were for a 12 volt conversion with a 6 volt coil. I intially started the 460 with a 12 volt coil off my M which has had a 12 volt conversion with alternator, I did not wire through the resistor. The 460 is factory 12 volt with generator. Originally equipped with a resistor. I do not know the voltage of the 460 coil. The 12 volt coil off the M says on the coil "for use with external resistor", and was wired that way on the M. After I got the 460 running, I put the original coil back on and wired it thru the resistor. It would start, but the longest it ran was for about 5 seconds, started and died in a second or two several times. So I reinstalled the one from the M WITHOUT the resistor. Runs fine--will I burn the points, condensor or something or should I use the resistor? If the 460 actually has a 12 volt coil the answer is obvious, since it came that way, it is in the parts book. But why?

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CNKS

05-21-2007 05:59:50




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to CNKS, 05-20-2007 18:27:07  
Thanks, I think I understand now. NAPA has the coil El Toro suggested.



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El Toro

05-21-2007 04:12:46




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to CNKS, 05-20-2007 18:27:07  
You can use a coil from Napa that has a builtin resistor and not use an external resistor. Part
number on coil is 1C14SB. Cost is about $40.00.
Did the 460 start? Hal



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CNKS

05-21-2007 05:54:05




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to El Toro, 05-21-2007 04:12:46  
Thanks for the response -- going to see if NAPA has that coil, as I need the other one for my M.



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KEB

05-20-2007 21:28:57




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to CNKS, 05-20-2007 18:27:07  
By using a ballast resistor with a lower voltage coil, it is possible to apply the full battery voltage to the ignition coil for starting and then use the ballast resistor to limit current once the engine is running.

The idea is that by using a 6 volt coil on a 12 volt system, you can get a much hotter spark during starting, however, if you let the engine run continuously with 12 volts applied to a 6 volt ignition coil you'd have too much current flowing and would heat up the ignition coil plus fry the points in short order; hence the use of the ballast resistor.

If the tractor was originally designed to use a ballast resistor, there should be a second connection somewhere between the coil side of the ballast resitor and the (+) side of the coil, coming from a contact on the starter switch or the starter selenoid. The purpose of the second connection is to bypass the ballast resistor during starting and apply the full battery voltage to the coil, thereby creating a hotter spark.

If the tractor wasn't originally equipped with a ballast resistor, then it should have a 12 volt coil. Ballast resistors are also required for a 6 volt to 12 volt conversion unless the original 6 volt coil is replaced with a 12 volt one.

Yes, running a coil designed for use with an external resistor will fry the points in short order.

Hope this helps a little.

Keith

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Janicholson

05-20-2007 21:12:10




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to CNKS, 05-20-2007 18:27:07  
Politics aside, if it says for use with a external resistor, use it (or the points will fry)
If it says no external resistor requires, don't use one. The original 560 coil is probably toast. What did you do with the manifold? JimN



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Janicholson

05-20-2007 21:15:20




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to Janicholson, 05-20-2007 21:12:10  
Sorry about the question, I see that the loostening of the intake from the exhaust did the trick. Good reality is nice once in a while. Others will bennifit from your efforts. JimN



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Nat 2

05-20-2007 19:46:52




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 Re: Ballist Resistor in reply to CNKS, 05-20-2007 18:27:07  
The ballast resistor reduces the voltage from 12V to 6V so you do not burn out the coil, points or condenser.

There is no such thing as a true 12V coil. They're all 6V coils, even the ones marked as 12V.

"For use WITH an external resistor" = You MUST use the ballast resistor or you will burn up points, condensers, and eventually, the coil itself.

"For use WITHOUT an external resistor" = Has a ballast resistor built into the coil, so no separate ballast resistor is necessary. The coil itself is still 6V.

A coil that needs a ballast resistor will work on 12V directly for a little while, but it will eventually burn up.

Your 460's original coil has gone bad BTW.

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Bob

05-20-2007 20:01:13




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 Nat in reply to Nat 2, 05-20-2007 19:46:52  
You posted:

"For use WITHOUT an external resistor" = Has a ballast resistor built into the coil, so no separate ballast resistor is necessary. The coil itself is still 6V."

WRONG... in almost all cases, a "true" 12-Volt coil is simply wound with more wire in the primary winding. There is NO resistor built into the coil, other than the primary winding itself.



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