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Fixing my tire... Any suggestions.

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JayWalt

05-21-2007 07:31:49




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I've had my fluid filled tires off before, so I know the precautions. This coming weekend or soonafter I need to address my left tire. It is leaking fluid bad and the rim is fairly rusted. My right one has a little rust near the valve stem and I'm not sure what I'll do about that yet. anyways, for the left one. I plan to remove the tire, drain the fluid and then... well I dunno. Is it possiblt to remove the tire without special machines? If I bend the rim, or break it in the event its too far gone, where do I get anouther rim? I've seen them online for around 80$, but I dunno about shipping something that big. How do I identify the rim (double bevel or whatver, or lipped or whatever, heh). Ideally I'd like to remove the tire, clean the rim, repaint it and if I need to get a new tube (where is the cheapest place for them as well?).

I dont wanna spend the money, but I dont want my left tire breaking and killing me either.

What does a used rim and/or tire with decent tread left go for? My tires have about 75% tread, but they are weather checked something fierce. What color where the rims originally, right now they are like an off white color.

Not sure after seeing this damage, if I want to put Calcium Choride back in them =(

Maybe if I dont feel like messing with it, I'll drain the fluid and just fill it with air and see if it leaks, if It dont, just let it go.

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cjd12000

05-22-2007 07:21:29




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
I have fixed 2 flats on my 806 in the last year and to break the bead i use a porta power and park another tractor near the tire i need to break the bead off. I angle the ram on the porta power so i can push the end into the bead and the outside pops of pretty easily then to get the inside i position the ram from the 3 point hitch arms to the bead and pop it off that way. Tubes cost me about 60 but to pay some one to come out and fix it for me would cost about 300. I save 240 and its a little frustrating. To reseat the bead use dish soap not dilluted and make sure you cover the new tube in baby powder so the rust in the rim doesnt stick to it. Good luck and if you dont need the tires loaded leave it out.

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Tallperson

05-21-2007 21:22:37




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
I agree with Genemo,,, get rid of the fluid and use wheel weights instead. You can stack those plates and get more traction weight than you can with fluid... and it doesn't rot your rims... Tallperson



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Nat 2

05-21-2007 11:51:09




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
Tractor rears are easiest to deal with with the rim mounted on the tractor.

1. Drain the fluid. Lower the tractor down to squeeze the fluid out of the tube faster.
2. Break the bead. Having the rim mounted on the tractor, you now have something solid to whale against with the BFH.
3. Remove the tire using tire irons, or "spoons" depending on who you talk to. Outside bead first, then pull the tube, then pry the tire the rest of the way off.
4. If the area around the valve stem hole is too far gone, you need a new rim. Get one locally. There HAS to be a tire shop in the area that does tractor tires, that can get you a rim. Just tell them that you need one for a Farmall H and they will know. If they don't, find a different place. I believe it's a "drop center" type, but not sure of the width. FYI, a "double bevel" rim has two bevels.

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JayWalt

05-21-2007 19:36:52




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to Nat 2, 05-21-2007 11:51:09  
Nat 2, the only places i know around here are the dealers, which will be alot of $$, or tsc, which doesnt have anything. I'll call around to some tire shops and sasee what I can find if need be. Hoping this rim isnt too bad.

I'm kind of against hanging weights on the back as its murder on the axle bearings. Wheel weights are a consideration if I could find them cheap.



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Al L. in Wisc.

05-21-2007 11:07:20




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
Sounds like James could tell us more about tubes but chose not to. Jim N. has some good info. I have also heard of driving a tractor/vehicle onto the sidewall of a tire/wheel to break the bead for tire removal. Well, here is my $500+ cents worth. I have a [1951 CA Allis Chalmers it is ok to use this tractor brand inside the non-offending brackets] that had leaky and severely rusted rim. Tire shop did the work as fluid is hazardous in more ways than one. Rim was slightly thicker than Reynolds Wrap for six+ inches from stem. Adjustable/primed/painted rim w/new tire as old was as porous as a seive and it was quite the bill. My late dad thought I shouldn"t get rid of fluid in other tube, but I said I don"t want to spend $$ on another tire/rim, etc. as it is cheaper to get rid of fluid now and you can"t see the pending damage to a leaking tube until it is to late. On my Farmalls I have purchased weighs. Friend had leaky-dry rotting tire rupture directly onto him with caustic fluid. Yup, he took the direct hit!! He said if the tire had ruptured "on the road..." well, he didn"t want to think about it. He was fortunate to just have to walk a few miles back to the home place with soaked body and irritated eyes. In the long run, a new tube/tire is cheap...compared to a round of golf and the 19th hole or something much worse. You must have a 300U? by Jim N"s posting??

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James Williams

05-21-2007 09:22:35




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
Jay,beleive me a new tube is cheaper than a used one

jimmy



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JayWalt

05-21-2007 08:40:12




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
Hi guys!!

Maybe I can use the calcium chlirde to kill the grasss for my track. Doesnt sound harmful to the well, as it should breakdown naturally as its a fairly simple compound. I will look into its hazards online tonight. My main issue is not breaking the bead, altho that might be hard. It is a tubed tire. My concern is damaging the rim while removing the tire from the rim. Moreso hurting the paint job afterwards.

I will most likely have to buy a new tube, and I've heard they are around 40$.

One way I might be able to circumvent tir removal is to just let the tire "float" on the rim and support the rin underneath and do the wire brushing that way. Not sure how much clearnce I can get. Then I could cover the tire and paint the rim, then flip it over and do the other side. This would totally eliminate the need to remove the tire from the rim. Unless I can remove the tire without using metal tire spoons on the rim, I wont take it off, as putting them back on without harming the paint job seems impossible.

Jim, what does that beet juice cost? I wonder if this calcium chloirde is worth anything to anybody? I've heard of people trading the stuff at the farm shop for the cost of mounting and stuff, not sure.

I have one of them drill pumps, but it is a POS. I will look at mennards for one of their shop source ones, they comes with warranties on most of their nonexpendable stuff for 2 years. drill bits with 2 year warranty, wire brush cup with 2 year warranty, cant beat that.

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Janicholson

05-21-2007 09:56:52




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 08:40:12  
The product is Rim Guard, the company is out of Michigan. Google Rim Guaard, and get info, JimN



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glennster

05-21-2007 08:03:04




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
jay, i get my tubes from the local f.s. farm service store.they usually stock whatever size i need. pump the tire out BEFORE you remove it from the tractor. them buggers are heavy!!!!. like janicholson said, clean up the rim real good, i been using por15 rust conversion primer, 2 coats on the inside of the rims. seems to work real good. be sure to check the inside of the tire for whatever punctured it. i wear a leather glove and rub my hand over the inside of the tire looking for the nail or whatever. i pumped the chloride out into a drum and will re use it in the tire. i mow pretty steep ditches with this cub and have em loaded real heavy. never tried the beet juice, other guys use washer solvent or that sierra antifreeze thats safe for the enviornment.

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glennster

05-21-2007 07:51:33




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
jay look at the tractor discussion board, i just posted photos on changing the rear tire on my farmall cub with a handyman jack. should help you out!!!!



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Janicholson

05-21-2007 07:50:30




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to JayWalt, 05-21-2007 07:31:49  
Jay, the best replacement is Beet Juce (believe me, the stuff does not corrode rims, and doesnt freeze in weather we would ever operate a tractor in. The best policy I can recommend is to find a tire store that will take the fluid and either have themm come and get it, or take the tire to them. You can drain a lot of fluid out of the tire if it is placed with the stem down and a hose affixed to allow capture of the salt. Calcium chloride is not good for the earth, and will kill plants. I f captured in a barrel by pumping with a drill pump, or other small pump, be sure to rinse the pump after use. Five gallon pails with lids would also be good for handling the stuff. Fast food joints often have them free.

Clean the rim with aggressive wire brush/sand blast, bead blast. CHECK FOR THIN SPOTS. Rims need to be sound, and rusted areas reinforced with welded in metal on the inside if possible, or brazing in the pits with attention to thickness is OK as well. I would go with the beet juice others are using used autoantifreeze, but it is also toxic to animals and not environmentally friendly.

Getting the bead broken on the rusty rim may be tough, I have had luck using a bottle jack (chained down) under a heavy vehicle to break the bond but care is in order. They are a hassle. The Rim will be pretty specific to your 300U. JimN

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GeneMO

05-21-2007 08:04:50




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 Re: Fixing my tire... Any suggestions. in reply to Janicholson, 05-21-2007 07:50:30  
If you are not using it for heavy work such as plowing, and dont need the weight because of front end loader issues, I would eliminate the fluid altogether. I have a pretty good flake of rust around the valve stem on my 706 and the rims need repainting real bad. I am almost afraid of what I will find under that flake.


Gene



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