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Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer

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John T.

06-26-2003 18:54:29




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Will my Super C have enough fanny to handle an IH-45 bailer?




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JB

06-29-2003 06:49:27




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
As someone else said, my first job as a farm boy was to ride the back of our IH 45 baler and to tie the missed knotts. Dad baled with SC and IH 45, all though we had a JD 420 that had more HP the gearing in the 420 was to slow in 1st and to fast in 2nd for the 45 baler. The SC was geared just right for the 45. We had some steep hills and the SC would handle the 45 in 1st on the hills and 2nd on the flat. We dumped bales on the ground. After a couple of years of watching the 45 knotter up close and personal, I figured out the problems with ours and modified it that it never missed less than a dozen bales a season. I put myself out of that job. Dad then upgrade the SC to 300U with IPTO and bale shute for the 45, now I got to ride the wagon and stack the bales on the wagon. MOST IMPORTANT on the 45 is to keep the twine knives SHARP on the knotters and check the alignment of the twine needles that they are placing the twine in the knotter propperly.
Neighbor bought an IH 46 when they first came out and he only had a red belly Ford and could bale twice as fast as Dad with his 45. That winter Dad upgraded to 46. The 46 was a great baler, could tie a 10,000 ft ball of twine in an hour in good hay, dropping on the ground. A couple years later I convinced him to buy a thrower, out of a job again. The thrower is still being used today on my brother's IH 47? baler but he is doing mostly round bales now.
Bottom line the SC will run a 45, but a 46 would be a better chioce. If you have steep hills be very careful going down hill as 1 wheel on the SC will skid and the other will go twice as fast as if you were going around a corner. To correct touch the brake on the the turning wheel with the hope the skidding wheel will regain traction. To prevent jack knifing push in the clutch and steer till you get to the bottom of the hill.

Good luck
JB

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chuck

06-27-2003 21:15:34




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
30 yrs ago --i baled with a 45 and a farmall b. did 20,000 a year --spent a lot of time onthe tractor--baler had the same motor --was wire tied and i could spit out 75-90 lb bales of brome--put me thru college--i did it for 3 summers. lots of work--but id look for a bigger tractor if i could find one--i think the C has the same engine as the B and the baler.



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Hugh MacKay

06-28-2003 15:20:08




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 Re: Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to chuck, 06-27-2003 21:15:34  
Chuck: The baler you were running 30 years ago must have been a 55W as there were no wire tie 45's. Also the engine drives on 45 were Wisconsin. The 55W would have used the 4 cylinder water cooled IH engine.



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Jimmy King

07-04-2003 21:03:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-28-2003 15:20:08  
Hugh I think he meant the engine on the B and Super C Which were probably the same block but Super C had more HP. B was 113.1 CID 16.3 HP Super C was 123 CID 22 Hp



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Hugh MacKay

07-05-2003 03:12:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 baile in reply to Jimmy King , 07-04-2003 21:03:31  
Jimmy: I think you better read what he said again. He clearly states baler had same engine as tractor. While I am not exactly sure which engine was on the 55T and 55W balers, I do know it was a IH water cooled engine. I suspect it was not the Cub engine as the 55 baler would have required more hp than Cub engine would put out. The content of his post also stated a wire tie baler, and the 45 was never produced as a wire tie baler. Further to that I have never seen a 55 pto driven baler, not saying they don't exist, but they are rare. All 45 engine drive balers used the Wisconsin air cooled engine.

I really don't need a lot of advise on the specs of the C-113 and C-123 engines, having owned and used about 8 of them in my lifetime.

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RayP(MI)

06-27-2003 19:03:01




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
Just got through bailing a load with a Farmall 200, (a Super C in disguise). Was running an Oliver 60 T,-pto driven- with a set of dull knives. Tractor handled it well in first gear, along with the waggon on behind. Only ran into traction problems going up a steep hill. Engine held in there, but was working hard. Looseness in two point hitch was a problem, as baler was pretty well balanced on wheels, and rocked up and down quite a bit, on loose hitch. Finally swapped for a JD B - but carefully used a Super C or 200 should do OK if you don't push it!

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Dave_D

06-27-2003 11:31:04




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
I got an sales ad for the 55 baler and on the back cover it says the 45 model is sized for the smaller tractor like the Farmall Super C. Should work.



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Harold Hubbard

06-27-2003 03:31:25




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
My Dad baled with a 45, first with a C and later with a Super C for about ten years until we finally got an M. This was on about 60-70 acres every year on Vermont hill farms. I learned to bale with the Super C, never used the C very much. If your 45 is anything like ours were, the tractor will get plenty of chances to rest while you are messing with the knotters! Slow is the ticket, first and second gear, and be ready to pop into neutral and let it chew up the big bunches. If you have any hills, make sure the brakes work. As I recall, the 45 weighs a little bit over a ton, and with a small tractor, if it starts pushing, things get exciting in a hurry.

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Jon T. again

06-27-2003 02:31:37




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
The IH45 bailer is mine free if I want it. I haven't see it run, but I don't want to hurt the Super C just to get a free bailer. The H or Super H is next on my wish list, I know it would pull that bailer.
What type and size bailer would work best behind the C?
Thanks.



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Hugh MacKay

06-27-2003 21:15:49




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 Re: Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to Jon T. again, 06-27-2003 02:31:37  
John: I would question whether a 45 baler is worth that figure of FREE. Not that it will ever hurt or over work your tractor, it probably will not work well enough for that. There are thousands of 55-60 year old former farm boys, who's first job in life was riding the back end of a new 45 baler, tieing all the bales it miss tied. It was rugged work, just from a volume stand point.

If you want a good baler and baler that operates smoothly and easily go New Holland. Even the 46 IH is a good baler as are many other makes like MF, JD, etc. The New Holland just runs easier, takes less power.

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SuperCmore

06-26-2003 21:54:05




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
Mine will!! Just drop it out of gear when the going gets tough.....run in 1st and sometimes 2nd gear...flat land, pulling a wagon...Cmore



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no. 45

06-26-2003 19:37:04




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
Think it should like that one guy says don,t run it to fast should do fine. If the knife on plunger is sharp and other knife sharp should work fine. If the old balers had a motor on them it would something like the motor in a model a tractor or a model c. These old ih balers like to run fairly full of hay this makes a more uniform bale. Happy baling.



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Hugh MacKay again

06-26-2003 21:44:39




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 Re: Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to no. 45, 06-26-2003 19:37:04  
John: A couple of items I intended to address were the knife which you have by now had advise on and the governor and RPM setting of the Super C. Make sure your tractor is right up to 540 RPM on pto. The 45 baler tends to run smoother when up to proper RPM. If I recall correctly plunger should be at 72 strokes per minute. If it is runnng slow you will feel every stroke of plunger, badly.



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Hugh MacKay

06-26-2003 19:34:30




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 Re: Farmall Super C and an IH-45 bailer in reply to John T., 06-26-2003 18:54:29  
John: If you have and use patience, you will do OK. It will not be the fastest tractor baler set up around. There are easier balers to for lighter hp tractors to run. Don't try to pull wagon unless it is flat land.

I remember when I was young, we had neighbors who milked 65 Holsteins plus replacments in a climate where cows were stabled 6-7 month per year, so they had to be baling 20,000+ bales per year. They used a pto baler and baled with a Super C. The father in his 70s did all the baling. I wouldn't recomend his aproach as he would lug that SC until it stalled. Off the tractor, clean the baler out and away he would go again. Man did he ever punish himself and that Super C. They had a C, SC and SA, we had 300, H and Cub, they were a hard act to follow.

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