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Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler?

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Kelly C

09-05-2003 23:08:35




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I found a web site in canada that evaluated round balers. Here is what it said about a 241.
It says the HP req was 25 hp. My 300 could run that.
Summary of International Harvester 241 Bigroll Baler

Overall Performance: Overall functional performance of the International Harvester 241 round baler was good. Ease of operation was fair while ease of adjustment was good. Operation of the twine wrapping mechanism was good.

Capacity: Average field speeds varied from 6 to 16 km/h (3.8 to 10.0 mph) while average throughputs varied from 1.7 to 7.5 t/h (1.9 to 8.3 ton/h). Maximum instantaneous feedrates up to 18 t/h (19.8 ton/h) were measured in heavy, uniform hay windrows. Ground speed was usually limited by pickup loss and not by baler capacity. Feeding was aggressive in most crops. In short wheat and barley straw, feeding was hesitant causing occasional plugging in front of the compression rollers.

Bale Quality: Bales were well formed and neat. The International Harvester 241 produced bales with an average length of 1.5 m (59 in) and an average diameter of 1.9 m (75 in). Hay bales weighed from 590 to 731 kg (1300 to 1610 lb) with an average density of 140 kg/m³ (8.7 lb/ft³).

Resistance of bales to moisture penetration was good. Peak power take-off requirements were about 19 kW (25 hp) in hay and straw on flat firm fields. More power was needed on soft or hilly fields.

Leaf Loss: Leaf loss was comparable to that of other large round balers. In heavy conditioned windrows at optimum moisture content, bale chamber loss was 2% while pickup loss was 1%. In light, dry unconditioned hay an average bale chamber loss as high as 15% and pickup loss of 16% can be expected. Heavy windrows, proper conditioning and baling at the maximum permissible moisture content all were important in reducing bale chamber loss.

Operator Safety: The International Harvester 241 was safe to operate if the manufacturer's safety recommendations were closely followed.

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Hugh MacKay

09-06-2003 15:07:50




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 Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler? in reply to Kelly C, 09-05-2003 23:08:35  
Kelly: I don't know just how excited I would get about an IH 241 or 2400 baler at this point in history. They are now 25 to 30 years old and like me most of them are probably over the hill. I often wished I had bought round baler that made 4x5 bales rather than the 5x6. The smaller ones pack better on a truck if your shipping them anywhere. Anything you go to lift, it doesn't matter whether it be a front end loader or 3 point lift, the closer you can keep your weight to the tractor the better.

When I bought the 241 I debated quite a while as to whether it was the right move. I had been running a New Holland S-69 with thrower for close to 16-17 years. When I thought IH baler all I could visualize was the old IH 45 and all the troubles it gave. I didn't particularly like the idea of the NH round baler as I thought those chains would be just a source of unecessary noise as it got older. I procrastinated quite awhile on that one. By that time my farm was probably a 70% silage feeding system. Just had to get rid of the square bale labour or the lack of it.

There are numerous balers out there working on the principle of using low hp. I am not going to make any suggestions as I am out of touch, with what is good and what is not. I really can't see any need of any big round baler requiring big hp. I guess the only reason I can think of is to sell big hp. Amazing how we got it all done when Farmall M was a big tractor.

If you do happen by chance to find a good old 241 and the price is right. I have my original operators manual, I'll never use it now, send me an e mail, with your mailing address, if you need the manual. I may cross the lakes and the states to deliver.

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ny bill o

09-06-2003 19:45:56




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 Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2003 15:07:50  
i used a 241 for 6 or 7 years. bales are hard to start rolling, it won't handle damp hay (just wraps around the rollers), your arm needs to be in shape for tying the bale, etc. i wasn't impressed with mine. i use a nh 644 now. with 4' wide bales , i can load them 2 wide on the trailer and haul twice as many per trip as i could with the 5' wide bales from the 241.



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TP from Central PA

09-06-2003 18:52:32




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 Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 bale in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2003 15:07:50  
Hugh, I was told the 5x6 stacked better on a truck then a 4x5. Don't know if their is any truth to it. Alot of guys won't buy a 4x5 baler because of it..... .....I don't ship any round bales so I have no idea if this is truth or fiction. Do you know?



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Hugh MacKay

09-06-2003 19:48:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 in reply to TP from Central PA, 09-06-2003 18:52:32  
TP: The problem with the 5x6 bale on the truck is in placing them 2 wide your load becomes 10 feet wide. Now I know you can get overwidth sinage and permits in most jurisdictions, but the trucking industry will love you a whole lot better if you can make the load 8 feet wide and 13'6" high. 6 foot diameter also get too high on most trailers.

Being involved a bit over the past 10 years in the trucking industry. I can say I hate over width loads. I think most people in the industry will say the same. None of us mind hauling an oversize load if the bucks are there. There will always be some over width loads, but I don't think the time is far off when the rules across North America are going to say, " If a commodity can be packaged 8 feet wide you will not be allowed to haul it over width."

I think you will find big round bales are already being watched very closely by authorities. I have never heard of a highway accident involving them, but periodically you see bales on roadside. No one ever claimes them. I guess the hauler decides if no one saw him loose it, no point in giving it away after the fact by reclaiming the bale. The penalties for loosing items off a truck are quite high, and so they should be.

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IH Okie

10-15-2003 15:58:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2003 19:48:54  
I bale 5ft bales and 4ft bales. We seem to have better luck with the 5 footers.When ya stack them 2 wide and put 1 in the craddle of the two it ties them together. Were as the 4ft bales stacked on top each other tend to lean easyer than the 5ft bales.Using straps to scure the 4ft bales are needed. Either way is fine it's just that ya have to be a little more careful but we've had no prob with beening 10ft wide. Just my 2cents

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Van

09-07-2003 06:43:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2003 19:48:54  
Hugh,
Two years ago in North Dakota I came across a pickup in the ditch with the front smashed in.
The driver was a guy I know and was still in the truck, he was injured and had a lot of cuts from broken glass. There was a big round bale behind the truck in the ditch and I didnt think anything about it at first becuase the farmers there are always baling the right of ways. He had met a 18 wheeler full of hay and one came off in front of him, he said his speed was about 50 MPH, the bale wiped out the front of the truck and went through the windshield, we had to cut him out because the steering wheel had him pinned in the seat. He was very lucky.
Van

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Hugh MacKay

09-07-2003 14:45:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a in reply to Van, 09-07-2003 06:43:45  
Van: And that is just the type of accident the motoring public have the right, to expect not to happen. Did the authorities ever find out who's truck it came from? I suspect not it all happened so quickly the injured guy didn't get an id on the truck. Trucker probably never missed the bale until he arrived at destination. Most truckers who have this happen aren't going to come forward as admitting to any item coming off a truck today spells the end of a trucking career, most jurisdictions and most insurance companies will not give you a second chance. That is precicely how it should be.

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TP from Central PA

09-07-2003 06:24:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2003 19:48:54  
Dumb me, I never put 2+2 together to realize the total width would be 10 ft..... ...Yep, that would make sense to have a 4x5..... .



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Thanks--Kelly C

09-06-2003 06:09:23




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 Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler? in reply to Kelly C, 09-05-2003 23:08:35  
Thanks for the help so far guys. If you could check out these reports from this link. I could use your opinions on any of the balers that are rated 35 hp or less. I guess I am trying to figure out what the best one to look for in the lower HP range.
I was real happy to find this web site. Giving detailed reports on Balers 30 years old. Whats the odds of finding that?

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Roy in UK

09-06-2003 05:33:50




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 Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler? in reply to Kelly C, 09-05-2003 23:08:35  
My neighbour had one in the 1970's, although I never got around to asking him what he thought of it at the time. I once stood awhile watching it working and one thing that struck me is the awful long time it seemed to be stood while the twine wrapping was in operation.



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Redfan

09-06-2003 05:06:34




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 Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler? in reply to Kelly C, 09-05-2003 23:08:35  
Kelly, the 2400 baler double tension springs and a few other small changes. Be aware that the 241 wouldn't have travel stops on the press roller, and as such, the roller can ride up too high when a tree root or similiar wedges under the roller. This causes the bolt holding the stripper plate on the press roller to rub against the steel driven roller and eventually build up enough heat to light up the hay. BTDT.
241 or 2400 don't feed at all well when baling short hay. Regards, Redfan.

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sammy the RED

09-06-2003 02:26:23




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 Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler? in reply to Kelly C, 09-05-2003 23:08:35  
The 241 was made by another mfg., not IHC.
We got rid of ours and bought a Gehl. Never looked back.



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Hugh MacKay

09-06-2003 02:04:52




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 Re: Hugh- What do you know about a IH 241 baler? in reply to Kelly C, 09-05-2003 23:08:35  
Kelly: I couldn't argue too much with that report. It was indeed just as they are saying the pickup limiting volume, some straw did create only minor problem. One item I found was you could make bales as small as 3 feet diameter and it still made a nice firm bale. The model that followed I think 2400 was the same baler with some small changes.



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