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How to haul a H series Farmall?

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Griz

11-26-2003 04:52:07




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I purchased a 1949 H Farmall and have lined up a car hauler to use. The tractor is located about 7 hours one way from my house. My question is this. What type of straps etc should I use to secure this tractor down? I realize that I don't want to use just a simple rachet strap but how heavy duty do I need to go? I do have a large chain with hooks on it that I could haul a semi with. What other methods should I use for this long haul back? Thanks!

Griz

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maplehillfrm.pat

11-26-2003 06:28:15




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 Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Griz, 11-26-2003 04:52:07  
congrats on your new tractor, There are as many ways to haul this thing home as there are people on this sight you will find that out, I have hauled many tractors and any other kind of machinery you can think of, I would go with chains but 2 or 4 inch straps will work, use what you have,I have hauled with both cross country never had a problem with any of them, it is just preference,, You may not have to move your wheels depending on the width of the trailer, I have a 20 foot car trailer that has 83" between the wells, I just hauled a H had tires on it and one was flat only was 79",, if you need the extra room inside the wells fill the tires up harder sometimes you can gain a few inches, I pull my tractors on normally put the rear wheels just inside the wells , that is where my sweet spot for weight is on tongue weight, but all vehicles will be different, get it on and then look at the springs on the truck,you dont want all the weight on the rear springs, but you definatly dont want too much weight on the back of the trailer, more tongue weight is preferred if you are in doubt {my opinion), to little tongue weight and you will have Lots of sway in the rear,,
as far as chaining it to the trailer. I usually go around the motor mounts and the frame, somewhere sort of high on the tractor so you can get a good down pull and side pull especially with a narrow front end,(with a wide front end just two chains on the inside of the steering arms to the holdowns) , and to the hold downs in the front of the trailer, {this is considering your holddowns are angled out to the corners of the trailer}, mine are I think like a foot or so in from the sides,, -- on the rear I use a chain around each corner of the rear axles and again to the holddowns in the rear, I use 1 chain to each one in case one ever snapped or came loose you will always have one holding"actually I have a long chain which I can hook to each hold down and and the tractor to act as its own chain on each.I then hook my binders to the rear chains and tighten them up, this will pull the front chains tight,, I also put a safety chain around the front bolster and wheel to the holddowns, just in case one chain snapped the tractor would stay put, as long as you have a front and a back pull working against each other and have these pulls at a angle not straight back from each other you should be ok,, good luck, and sorry for the long post,,also it is a good idea to put the brakes on and put it in gears as stated,, overall, you will take all the advice here and put a little of each together and come up with your "style" dont fret the haul enjoy it, take it easy and remember that the trailer with the tractor behind you will push you down a hill, will take a little more time to stop, and take a little while to speed up, find your sweet spot on speed and handling, also as stated be sure you have the correct truck to haul this home as that will make all the difference in the world, for you and the public, going is the easy part stopping is the hard one,, good luck have a great day, hope all works out well,pat

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maplehillfrm.pat

11-26-2003 06:27:32




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 Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Griz, 11-26-2003 04:52:07  
congrats on your new tractor, There are as many ways to haul this thing home as there are people on this sight you will find that out, I have hauled many tractors and any other kind of machinery you can think of, I would go with chains but 2 or 4 inch straps will work, use what you have,I have hauled with both cross country never had a problem with any of them, it is just preference,, You may not have to move your wheels depending on the width of the trailer, I have a 20 foot car trailer that has 83" between the wells, I just hauled a H had tires on it and one was flat only was 79",, if you need the extra room inside the wells fill the tires up harder sometimes you can gain a few inches, I pull my tractors on normally put the rear wheels just inside the wells , that is where my sweet spot for weight is on tongue weight, but all vehicles will be different, get it on and then look at the springs on the truck,you dont want all the weight on the rear springs, but you definatly dont want too much weight on the back of the trailer, more tongue weight is preferred if you are in doubt {my opinion), to little tongue weight and you will have Lots of sway in the rear,,
as far as chaining it to the trailer. I usually go around the motor mounts and the frame, somewhere sort of high on the tractor so you can get a good down pull and side pull especially with a narrow front end,(with a wide front end just two chains on the inside of the steering arms to the holdowns) , and to the hold downs in the front of the trailer, {this is considering your holddowns are angled out to the corners of the trailer}, mine are I think like a foot or so in from the sides,, -- on the rear I use a chain around each corner of the rear axles and again to the holddowns in the rear, I use 1 chain to each one in case one ever snapped or came loose you will always have one holding"actually I have a long chain which I can hook to each hold down and and the tractor to act as its own chain on each.I then hook my binders to the rear chains and tighten them up, this will pull the front chains tight,, I also put a safety chain around the front bolster and wheel to the holddowns, just in case one chain snapped the tractor would stay put, as long as you have a front and a back pull working against each other and have these pulls at a angle not straight back from each other you should be ok,, good luck, and sorry for the long post,,also it is a good idea to put the brakes on and put it in gears as stated,, overall, you will take all the advice here and put a little of each together and come up with your "style" dont fret the haul enjoy it, take it easy and remember that the trailer with the tractor behind you will push you down a hill, will take a little more time to stop, and take a little while to speed up, find your sweet spot on speed and handling, also as stated be sure you have the correct truck to haul this home as that will make all the difference in the world, for you and the public, going is the easy part stopping is the hard one,, good luck have a great day, hope all works out well,pat

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Randy in NE

11-26-2003 05:58:13




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 Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Griz, 11-26-2003 04:52:07  
Some of this depends on your state DOT. In Iowa you are required to have electric brakes on anything over 3,000 lbs. They also require 4 independent tie downs. The 3" web straps can be bought at TSC fairly inexpensively and they have the built in rachets. Rumor has it that the federal DOT is going to outlaw the web straps. You are going to have to slide the wheels all of the way in and maybe even have to dish one of them in to get the tires to fit between the fenders on the trailer unless you have drive over fenders. For a 7 hour haul you will want to make sure that you have a quality trailer and pull vehicle that will handle it. I don't see where it would necessary to back the tractor on as long as you can pull in-between the fenders so that you can get sufficient weight on the hitch (not too much).

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Farmall Ed

11-26-2003 05:51:30




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 Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Griz, 11-26-2003 04:52:07  
Griz, I use a 20.000 lb test chain from the drawbar to the tie downs on the trailer with two heavy duty load binders,on the front I use a 10,000 lb test strap thru the front wheels to the tie downs on the front of the trailer,my H weighs 4550 and I havent had any problems,but check your load often saftey is paramount for both you and everyone else,also some car hauling trailers are a little difficult to use if the tractor has a narrow front.Be careful Ed

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Randy in NE

11-26-2003 05:40:41




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 Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Griz, 11-26-2003 04:52:07  
Some of this depends on your state DOT. In Iowa you are required to have electric brakes on anything over 3,000 lbs. They also require 4 independent tie downs. The 3" web straps can be bought at TSC fairly inexpensively and they have the built in rachets. Rumor has it that the federal DOT is going to outlaw the web straps. You are going to have to slide the wheels all of the way in and maybe even have to dish one of them in to get the tires to fit between the fenders on the trailer unless you have drive over fenders. For a 7 hour haul you will want to make sure that you have a quality trailer and pull vehicle that will handle it. I don't see where it would necessary to back the tractor on as long as you can pull in-between the fenders so that you can get sufficient weight on the hitch (not too much).

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Allan

11-26-2003 04:56:59




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 Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Griz, 11-26-2003 04:52:07  
Griz,

I would bind it both forward and aft with 2 chains using chain tensioners. Put it in low gear and lock both brakes down. Also, I'd back it on the trailer.

When you get that one moved, please come up here and buy mine. I think I bought the wrong tractor! :>)

Allan



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spartan396

11-26-2003 06:41:23




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 Re: Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Allan, 11-26-2003 04:56:59  
Hey Allen,

My real name is Nathan. I have been reading these posts now for a few days on this site, and your posts have stuck in my mind. I am a new farmall owner, and have purchased a 1954 super H for 1800 (w/ a 6' bush hog) at the begining of this past summer. I found my self becoming more and more interested in the Farmalls, and farming as the summer went by. I went to the Fulton County fall festival in Pa in october, where they were showing hundreds of antique tractors, as well as the old steamers. That was the clincher for me -- I am hooked now and hope to one day be an avid collector/restorer. I wasn't as fortunate as you to grow up on a farm -- wish I would have had that oppurtunity. But I was curious to get your take on something -- Here in Pa alot of the farms are being sold off so quickly -- and the younger generation 25-30 (my age) aren't as interested in running what seems to me is part of our heritage. Why is this so, or am I just imagining things. Also is it possible for a person my age (29) still be able to get into farming even on a part-time basis, or even ranching.

By the way -- you don't seem grumpy -- HAAAAA

Thanks
Nathan

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Randy in NE

11-26-2003 07:56:42




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 Re: Re: Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to spartan396, 11-26-2003 06:41:23  
I grew up on a farm in northeast Nebraska. I would love to be able to get back into farming. The problem is it takes 1000+ acres to make a living. This is if Mother Nature cooperates. The amount of money it takes to buy equipment big enough to farm this much land makes a person's head spin. Most of the people today are not willing to put in the long hours to farm with smaller equipment. We farmed 240 acres with a Farmall H and a Case 300. The case pulled 2-16" plow. Take my word for it that it takes a long time to plow 40 acres like this. I thought it was great getting to stay home from school for a day and plow from 6:00 am to about 6-8:00 pm. With today's minimum tillage you don't see as many people plowing but if you can't pull a 20-25' tandem disk at 6-8 mph then it is taking too long. When you figure in all of the costs to raise a crop the farmers are not making very much per hour. It is easier to go to town and work for $10-30/hour. You do find some young people willing to "weekend" farm but there aren't enough of them. Today's kids are too used to "easy street". Just my observation. P.S. A couple of years ago when my Enron stock was doing good and I was planning on retiring I had planned on buying to the old farm back and putz around and farm for the fun of it. That is a far off dream now.

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spartan396

11-26-2003 08:27:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How to haul a H series Farmall? in reply to Randy in NE, 11-26-2003 07:56:42  
Hey thanks for replying,

I am currently a bridge designer, and work as a web developer at night. I am not rich, but I am not poor either. My average day is working as a designer 9 hrs, then working as a web developer from 9pm till 1am. -- I also have gotten into buying and fixing up houses. I also put meyself through college to get my BS in comp. science. I love to work -- don't know why, and it seems like i would rather do something i can enjoy like owning a farm(like you maybe in retirement)and support my wife with, rather than be unhappy and be wealthy. -- seems futile to be wealthy and unhappy going to work. It seems like a passion for farming seems to be setting in as I read the forums, and literature. -- of course it all started with the H :) I agree totally with you seems like people my age aren't willing to work - or as you say they are used to easy-street. I have had to manage a group of people at my firm, and I am really discouraged to see how lazy some of the kids coming out of school are. They seem to do just enough work to get by, not going that extra mile or putting in the extra time it may take to finish a project. -- I think I have rambled -- sorry. I guess in short I am saying that I would be willing to do the work -- just wish i would have been graced with having a farm in the family. --

Thanks again for replying -- I really enjoy hearing other people's perspective on farming, esspecially if they were involved in it directly.

Because of the direct high start up cost, do you think I may be able to get into owning cattle?

Thanks again
Nathan

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Paul in Mich

11-26-2003 12:29:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to haul a H series Farmall in reply to spartan396, 11-26-2003 08:27:11  
You mentioned "a passion" for farming. I'd say that is the most important ingredient, because if you don't have the passion, then all the distractions and set-backs become monumental. Lots of the younger generation are working out and farming what they can in their off time. Several reasons, one of which includs family medical insurance cost. Another reason is that your very existence doesn't hinge on whether you have a good year or not. Many farms struggle to break even, and hope for that one bumper year out of ten to make it so to speak. My suggestion is that if you want to test the waters, hire yourself out to a farmer in the spring and fall and see if after a season or two the passion is still there, but by all means, keep your day job. Farming can be very rewarding, and is certainly food for the soul, but reality can be cruel at times. I am semi-retired and work for my cousin who farms around 3,500 acres. The best thing for me is that I don't have to deal with the business aspect, just operating the equipment, and working on the machinery. This satisfies my passion, and I still keep another part time job to take care of my insurance needs, and support my hobby's. I know this is off subject, but those who have come to know me here already know that....I may comment on a comment, not just the original subject.

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Nathan

12-02-2003 05:14:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to haul a H series Far in reply to Paul in Mich, 11-26-2003 12:29:10  
Thanks so much for your comments, I really appreciate them.

Nathan



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