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JR

01-30-2004 10:54:17




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When did IHC drop the name McCormick in favor of International on its wheatland or standard models. Was it between the 560 and 806 years? Has anyone ever noticed that on page 109 of the IH book by Baumheckel and Borghoff they refer to a tractor 560 as a McCormick Farmall? What's up with that?




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Harold H

01-31-2004 14:20:16




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 Re: International or McCormick in reply to JR, 01-30-2004 10:54:17  
I'm a day or two late on this question and it looks like it has been covered pretty good. However, in simple terms, generally, at least through the 06 series, if the big sign on the side of the hood said Farmall in big letters it also had McCormick or McCormick Deering on the same sign in small letters. If it said International in big letters on the side of the hood it also said McCormick in small letters on the same sign. If it was a McCormick or McCormick Deering it just said this in big letters on the side of the hood.

Generally if it was an industral it was always a International. If it was a standard/wheel type it was a McCormick or McCormick Deering through the letter series then was an International. The row crop tractors were Farmalls.

There are a few exceptions to all rules. For example, early Fairway tractors were McCormick Deerings. Later Fairway tractors were International. Is a Fairway tractor an industrial tractor or a wheel/standard tractor? Just to stir the question.

Harold H

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Eric

01-31-2004 09:44:41




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 Re: International or McCormick in reply to JR, 01-30-2004 10:54:17  
It is my understanding that the last tractor that IH built with a McCormick badge on it was at the Neuss factory in Germany in 1969 fitted to a McCormick International 624.



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Paul in Mich

01-30-2004 15:32:02




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 Re: International or McCormick in reply to JR, 01-30-2004 10:54:17  
Jr, Someone may correct me, but to my knowledge, the name Mccormick appeared through the 560's which would have included the 140's 240's, and 460's I believe the 340's and 660's displayed the International rather than Mccormick. The utilities, were all International. Mccormick-Deering appeared on the early letter row crop as well as the standards until 1945, except again for the "I" series of both row crop and standard which were International. Some of the early 1945 row crops and standards may have displayed both Mccormick and Mccormick Deering Mccormick disappeared entirely with the 06 series never to return.

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Hugh MacKay

01-31-2004 15:15:30




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 Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Paul in Mich, 01-30-2004 15:32:02  
Paul: I have to disagree. A guy in Iowa e mailed me a photo of his tractor, a 1967 Farmall 656D. The tractor was bought new by his dad and they still have the tractor. Just above the word Farmall on decal in small print is the word McCormick. That is indeed the last year McCormick name appeared on Farmalls. Probably the 656 was the only 56 series tractor so labled as it was introduced in 1965, whereas the rest of the 56 series were all introduced in late 1967. 656 also had the 06 grill from 65 to 67.

In 1968 the 656 was called International with the word Farmall in small print just above model number. Grill was also changed to match the rest of 56 series just introduced at that time.

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Hugh MacKay

01-30-2004 13:31:02




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 Re: International or McCormick in reply to JR, 01-30-2004 10:54:17  
JR: For many years up to around early 50s the name McCornick Deering showed up in small print under the Farmall or International words on decal. Just when the name Deering was dropped I'm not exactly sure. My 1953 Farmall Super A has McCormick Deering in small print under the word Farmall on decal. My 58 - 130 and 63 - 140 both have just the name McCormick in small print under the Farmall decal. I know my Farmall 560D had the same. One thing to remember also my 140 is late enough 1963 it has the same grill as the 06 and early 56 series tractors. My memory is bit fuzzy on this next one but I believe my 1967 Farmall 656D had the name McCormick in small print under the word Farmall on the decal. I will stand corrected on the 656D.

I just looked at the 1968 buyers guide, and in that all tractors have the word International as the main label in the decal. The name Farmall appears in small print above the model number of Farmalls. The utilities and big standards don't appear to have anything printed above model number of decal. There is one exception in this buyers guide Farmall 140 remains as it was. I suspect 1967 was the last year the name McCormick appeared in those decals.

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Red Dave

01-30-2004 11:06:30




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 Re: International or McCormick in reply to JR, 01-30-2004 10:54:17  
That's what it was, a McCormick Farmall 560. The A's, B's, H's & M's were McCormick-Deering Farmalls until the late '40's when Deering was dropped then they were just McCormick Farmalls.



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JR

01-30-2004 12:43:27




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 Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Red Dave, 01-30-2004 11:06:30  
I thought that McCormick and Farmall were two distinctly different things. The Farmall being for rwo crops and the McCormick wheatland. I have an old piece of 560 row crop literature here and nowhere does it say McCormick.
I'm not trying to be argumenative I really want to know.



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Guy Fay

01-30-2004 15:47:35




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 Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to JR, 01-30-2004 12:43:27  
Nope. Farmall was a name that applied to most (not all) row crop tractors. It's like Corvette- all Corvettes were Chevys. WIth Farmall, There were:
McCormick
McCormick Deering
International
Deering
CIMA
McCormick Deering International

and possibly other Farmalls. Farmalls had two names. The standard and wheatland tractors usually only had one (and there's a difference between standards and wheatlands too). TracTractors were similar to Farmalls.

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Larry B

01-31-2004 06:00:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Guy Fay, 01-30-2004 15:47:35  
The McCormick tractors made today in England, are they related to the McCormick tractors made in the US years ago or is this a different company all together. Sence McCormick-(Deering) & FARMALL were International, is this still apart of IH or a different ball game. Some ads I have seen say McCormick International LTD. Confussed!!!!



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Red Dave

01-31-2004 06:40:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Larry B, 01-31-2004 06:00:52  
No, the McCormicks of today are not made by Case/IH. They are made by Landini at the old IH Doncaster plant in England.
The McCormick name was licensed to Landini by Case/IH, the Doncaster plant was sold to Landini to address European Union antitrust objections during the merger with New Holland. They are basicly Magnums with Perkins engines.



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Hugh MacKay

01-30-2004 18:10:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Guy Fay, 01-30-2004 15:47:35  
Guy: Give me your opinion on my earlier post on this thread. Some of what I quoted I have in my shop as proof, however on 560 and 656 I am just going from memory. Was the name McCormick there in small print on decals until 1967. There is also a possibility I have the SA labeled wrong as I painted it about 15 years ago and just maybe the original decal did not say McCormick Deering in small print under the word Farmall. I see someone has basically chalanged what I said.

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Hugh MacKay

01-31-2004 13:46:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-30-2004 18:10:32  
Guy: Thanks for that information. I just got home and besides this there was an e mail for me with side panel photos of a 1967 Farmall 656D. A tractor out of Iowa that his dad bought new in 1967. In bold small print over the word Farmall is McCormick.

Looking at what you are saying my Super A, serial number 336977, making it a 1953 model. As I said I painted it about 15 years ago, put on new decals. I see these decals have McCormick Deering in amall rint under the word Farmall. This tractor needs painting again and again new decals. I gather that in your opinion Super A decals probably changed around 1950, thus the correct decals for my tractor should not have the word Deering in small print, but rather just McCormick?

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Guy Fay

01-31-2004 06:54:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-30-2004 18:10:32  
No, the McCormick was there until 1967. Deering was dropped about 1950.



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Hugh MacKay

01-31-2004 13:49:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International or McCormick in reply to Guy Fay, 01-31-2004 06:54:14  
Guy: Thanks again, I mustakenly responded to my self rather than you. see above.



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