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Changes in the H Farmall

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Curious

02-15-2004 19:41:28




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What changes did IH make to the H through its years of production? I assume the '39 was a dual fuel and the super H had a different head...? But were there any significant changes through the years? For example Case's SC and DC underwent rather signicant changes with their lift systems, move to live pto&hydrolics, high compression head, different front end configurations, etc... Am I correct in assuming the H changed less? I know the M recieved quite a boost through M&W and added TA, had a diesel etc. I appreciate any info. Love all types of old iron. Thanks, Curious

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CNKS

02-16-2004 19:10:57




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 Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Curious, 02-15-2004 19:41:28  
The posts below are basically correct. I own a 41 H and a 53 stage 2 Super H, and drove a 47 H as a kid. The changes in the original H were minimal after the 1st couple of years. One thing not mentioned below is that the 39's (some if not all) had 36 inch tires. Many of the wartime models were sold with steel wheels because of the rubber shortage. The seat was changed at SN 15968 (early 1940), in addition the seat with the large spring became available at the same serial number. More coil spring seats were sold in the later years. A non-factory seat, the "Monroe" seat was common, also, it had the shock absorber behind, rather than in front of the spring. As mentioned below, gasoline, kerosene and distillate engines were available throughout production. Most tractors were equipped with magnetos thru the mid-late forties, distributers were more common on the later models, but both systems were available throughout production. Many of the early 40's were sold without starter and lights, but starter and lights were available from the beginning. At SN 391357 disk brakes (the same one as are on the Super H) became standard. Not many equipped this way as the last H serial is 391730. An earlier type of disk brake (made by Lambert, I believe) was available, either as a factory option or a retrofit, throughout production. The vast majority of H's had band brakes. Super H production began in early 1953 after about 1200 H's were produced in 1953 (391230 H's were built from 1939-1953 making the H the best selling single model of any IH tractor). The Super H had a 164 cu in engine compared to the H's 152, with an increase from about 25 hp to 29. The other major difference were faster 3rd and 4th gears, although the H could also be had with a faster 4th gear. THe Super H had a carburator similar to the one on the M. The stage 2 Super H added live hydraulics, with the hyd reservoir under the gas tank, necessitating that the battery be moved under the seat. The starter was also moved. The Super H also had sealed beam lights. There were several other differences such as location of the starter switch, etc. There were slightly less than 29000 Super H's produced of which about 10000 were stage 2's. The Super H then evolved into the 300/350/460, beginning in late 1954.

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Bill Smith

02-16-2004 09:51:17




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 Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Curious, 02-15-2004 19:41:28  
The H I believe was available as gasoline, kerosene, or ditstillate burning through the entire production. Gasoline became a more common option in later production. Some changes along the way were the 39 had a different plateform under the seat with indentions in it. Extra plateforms were likely put on the very early 40's to use them up. In 43, 44, and 45 WWII created a little change in the production. This included a metal knob on the 43 gear shift and metal emblem plate instead of aluminum. Steel wheel's, low grade fuel burners, and and so on became more common in pruduction during these years. Not sure on years but somewhere along the way they went from tall oil filter to short, 4-way light switch and cut-out to 3 way light switch and voltage regulator, and 3 or 4 different locations for starter button early on. Not sure if it became a factory option or just a popular after market item but the original styled seat seemed to of faded away and the spring and shock seat seemed to be on most of the newer ones. The super H was only made for the last two years of production in 53 and 54. I believe there was 2 stages of them, with more changes applied to the stage 2 super H. The super H had some upgrading changes applied to it.

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Bill Smith

02-17-2004 10:39:47




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 Re: Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Bill Smith, 02-16-2004 09:51:17  
One other thing I believe not mentioned, at some point (again not sure of year) the wording on the hood decal was changed. I believe from McCormick Deering Farmall to just McCormick Farmall. Also, fenders were optional but fair to say that the majority of H's were released without fenders as an option. Not exactly sure what the situation was on the wire mesh versus glass jar style of air breather inlet cover cap.

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rustyfarmall

02-16-2004 08:37:27




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 Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Curious, 02-15-2004 19:41:28  
As far as I know the cylinder heads did not change as the H progressed through the years. Even from the very beginning you could buy an H which would run on kerosene, and would have been equipped with a low compression head, or you could have purchased the tractor equipped to run on gasoline, and it would have been equipped with a high compression head. In the early years, most, but not all, of the Hs would have ran on kerosene, or distillate, and as the years passed, the gasoline version became the first choice. The kerosene-dual fuel option was still available all the way up through the Farmall 350. Look for an X1 suffix after the serial number, it denotes the fact that particular tractor came from the factory equipped to operate on gasoline.

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little john

02-16-2004 05:21:01




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 Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Curious, 02-15-2004 19:41:28  
I can't find my book right now, but I think there were three Stages of the Farmall H, with improvements in hydraulics and other things. No doubt someone will have this info available if you keep checking the responses.



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robert hall

02-16-2004 05:06:09




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 Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Curious, 02-15-2004 19:41:28  
Through the years they had the H' and then the super H'. The super H had a little bit bigger motor and also faster gears. It also had disk brakes instead of band brakes. The disk brakes were never good unless they were where hardly used. They wore out fast. After the super h, they had a 300. The 300 could have had a fast hitch, live PTO, live hydr., power steering, a TA, and some more other options. The 300 had about the same size of motor as a super h. I'm sure that the 300 continued into another number series, but I do not know which one. At one time they did have a "HTA", but it was only an experimental tractor and never made it to the assembly line. I have seen a black and white picture of the "HTA", but it was very ugly and had hoses all over the place. IT was better than a year ago that they had the picture posted on this diccussion board.

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rustyfarmall

02-16-2004 08:24:18




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 Re: Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to robert hall, 02-16-2004 05:06:09  
There are several H-TA's in existence, but they have all been shop built, using a Farmall 300 or 350 and replacing the sheet metal with the gas tank, hood, and grill from an H. There are some other things which need to be changed also, but anyone with some good mechanical skills should be able to create one. I would like to build one for myself, got my eyes open for a non-running 300 or 350.



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tim

02-15-2004 20:54:26




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 Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to Curious, 02-15-2004 19:41:28  
there was a 39 farmall H? How early did they make these things?



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Farmer Bob

02-15-2004 21:28:22




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 Re: Re: Changes in the H Farmall in reply to tim, 02-15-2004 20:54:26  
Yes, there was approximately 10,151 1939 Farmall H's reportedly produced. (Source: IH Tractor Data Book/Guy Fay



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