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Stupid pointless question about fenders

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Dan Kelley

03-03-2004 07:18:58




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I saw some nice pictures awhile back of a Farmall 656. It had flattop fenders with twin headlights buried in them. I began to wonder which Farmall tractor models had this style fender.

I intend to restore my M. Still, with the front loader, the original lights bounce off the bucket occasionally, and always at the wrong time. I was thinking if I could rig a pair of these fenders onto my M when I was working, I could see better. If I wanted to show the tractor, I could always re-install my M (reproduction) fenders. I already have 12v electrics and a fairly large alternator. (And didn't have to cut the hood to get it to work!) So, I'm sure I could rig the lights OK.

I'm not really thrilled with the idea of altering my M this way, but I want to keep my options open. If I do go this route, I want the fenders to be in house when I paint the tractor, so that the paint matches.

So, which tractors had these fenders? What is your opinion on the idea?

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Hugh MacKay

03-05-2004 02:54:58




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
Dan: In answer to you actual question, which tractors had the twin light flat top fenders, my first reaction was every thing after first year of 04-06 and all 56 series. However in looking through some old literature I see some 56 series tractors with one light in each fender and two in grill, very similar to 66 series.

I never really liked those two light fenders. I had them on a 504 and 656 and from operators platform they create a lot of glare when turning. I found this especially annoying turning at night on headlands. I later removed those fenders from 656 and installed a cab with lights on front of cab, that corrected the problem.

The interesting part in all of this is, I installed the fenders from the 656 on my 560, and because of the seating configuration the glare was not a problem on the 560. All you need do, is be seated behind the lights. Your seating configuration on the M will as it relates to position be the same as a 560. There are a few photos in the YT gallery of 560s with flat top fenders, they look real sharp. I have seen a 400 at a show with a set of flat tops, that looked sharp also.

I for one don't believe anything that made an old tractor safer or work more efficiently should be frowned on by old iron enthusiests. There is a good reason those old H and M fenders were not on a lot of tractors. You were actually safer with nothing, and they sure never kept you clean. Of course the alternator is a better and more efficient way to generate electricity. 6 volt alternators are also available and work very well. In my opinion all generators did was promote battery sales.

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Vern MN

03-04-2004 12:24:43




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
The flat top fenders came out with the later 706 models. Early 706 had the curved shell type.



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steve450

03-03-2004 21:22:35




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
I saw a picture of a 450 with flat tops on it..... .SHARP!!!



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Zak

03-03-2004 18:30:58




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
I actually have a set of 656 flattops with the recesses for dual lights in each. The nice thing is that the bolt holes match up for mounting on the axle flats of the H/M/300/400 series. Not sure what they're worth but I know shipping would be pricey due to size and weight.



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Thank You! Dan Kelley

03-03-2004 15:30:23




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
SGT K: I don't have the reproduction fenders yet. They're on the list of stuff to get before I start painting. I kinda gave up on getting originals. So, I'm sorry, but I can't help you on the question as to whether they are any good or not.

Mr. Farmall450man... I hadn't thought of mounting the tear-drops on the clamshells. This is a very exciting idea, as it does not take me away from the flavor of the M. I love the idea of explaining it via the "field mod" excuse. With the extension brackets, my clamshell fenders should be outside the frame of the loader. I've got the OEM catalog. Any idea as to which bracket bracket would be the best to try?

The great thing about this board is that I can post a stupid question, show how ignorant I am, and have people propose innovative solutions I hadn't even considered! Thanks to those who started and are running this board!!

Part of the flattop fender idea was to have a place to set my coffee, while the engine warmed up in the morning. :-) To be honest, I hadn't considered Oliver or JD fenders. I was cringing about the reaction on putting newer IH fenders on my M, and didn't want to stir the pot too deeply. I guess a bunch would depend on what's available in the yards, and how much cash they want to pull from my wallet. Thank you for this suggestion, too. It may save me some $$$.

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Farmall450man

03-04-2004 06:15:01




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 Re: Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Thank You! Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 15:30:23  
Don,

There should be brackets/posts that have 3, 2, or 1 mounting holes. Some of these would have been from utility tractors and some would have been from the battery boxes or rear light. I didn't look in the OEM catalog, but I think they carry some of these. You can also find them from time to time on e-Bay, Link http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3801521486&category=11756, but you may end up having to bid on the lights also. You may want to look at one of the originality guides for the letter series or the hundred series to find the best bracket/post and then call a salvage yard. Good luck!

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Farmall450man

03-03-2004 08:14:00




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
Dan, some of the utility/International models had lights mounted on the clam shell type fenders. I believe that you can find mounting posts and remote electrical sockets at OEM that could be mounted to your fenders that would allow you to use the tear drop style lights. This would look better from a correct period style field modification standpoint than the flat top fenders. But it is all up to how you want your tractor to look.

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SGT K

03-03-2004 07:29:22




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 Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to Dan Kelley, 03-03-2004 07:18:58  
This is gonna sound like blasphemy, but I always thought a set of Oliver 1650 flat top fenders would look good on an M. They would have a set of headlights like you need too. If you do put a set of flat top fenders on it, I would really like to see a picture of how it turned out.

You said you had a set of reproduction fenders. I thought about this, but I happened to find an original set. By the time I got them straightened and the rust pits filled I might have been better off buiying new. I was wondering, are you happy with your reproductions? Are they heavy enough?
Paul

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rustyfarmall

03-03-2004 08:49:14




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 Re: Re: Stupid pointless question about fenders in reply to SGT K, 03-03-2004 07:29:22  
This may sound like blasphemy also, but a neighbor once had an M equipped with fenders from a John Deere, the style which you will find on most 3010s through 4020s, with headlights in the fenders. Painted red, they actually looked very good.



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Dick Davis

03-04-2004 04:53:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Stupid pointless question about fender in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-03-2004 08:49:14  
Thanks Rusty farmall for breaking the ice,(I was going to post this yesterday but was concerned about being banned from the forum.) I had a neighbor who put Oliver flattops on a loader M and they looked good but worked even better for keeping him clean. Dick Davis



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