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Buying Sight Unseen

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Allan

04-30-2004 05:11:33




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Hi All,

I've been enjoying reading the different views on buying this old iron sight unseen. Seems like there are opinions from one end of the ladder to the other.

Is the practice unwise? Well, of course it is.

But ya know what? I think there are different avenues of approach. I think that for a lot of us, it is a game and the fun lies in the gamble of the thing; it is the unknowing and it is kinda the unknown "Christmas Present" when the treasure finally arrives and you get to see what you really did get for your money. It is the "How smart was I on this buy?" thing.

Some people like to go to the Casinos and throw their money at a one-armed machine, other people like to play the lottery, and still others like to bet on sporting events. I view these doings the same as flushing the money down the toilet, but others see it differently; each to his own.

My wife likes to put money in the stock market. I like to chase old iron. We both know that we are taking a chance with what we invest.

She is probably making more money than I am, but I think I’m havin’ a lot more fun & my toys are a lot bigger! :>)

A view from poverty hill,

Allan

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Matt Page

04-30-2004 09:16:55




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 Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Allan, 04-30-2004 05:11:33  
I think you guys just talked me into buying an old tractor I've been hem-hawing with myself about. The price is right, and I'd like to play with it... though I don't really need it. It's good to hear other people that enjoy this hobby and do it for its own sake. Buying something like a tractor, to me, IS a heckuva lot more productive and possibility laden than gambling or investing. I like to find use in things, and working with old iron is addictive. I also feel that its my responsibility to put a tractor back in the loop if its out, sort of a respect thats hard to explain. I know.. matt.

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Dan Kelley

04-30-2004 12:30:43




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 Re: Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Matt Page, 04-30-2004 09:16:55  
You bet!! Buying tractors is VERY different from the stock market. With the stock market, you actually have a chance to make money. :-)

Seriously, though, I love my M. I only have 5 acres, so I don't use it for farming. I use it for the front loader, to move engine blocks and to move building steel. Every time I fix something, I spend more money than the tractor is worth. It smokes; it leaks; it has horrible pea-green paint. But it runs, and it does everything I ask it to do. I plan on spending $600 or so revamping the hydraulics. I plan on spending $600 or so on a 3-point hitch. When the time comes, I'll spend the money and time rebuilding the engine. I'll spend the time and money straightening the tin and redoing the wiring. In the end, I'll have a tractor worth exactly what I originally paid for it.

But that isn't the point, is it? I get a great deal of satisfaction taking something that is an ugly pea-green and making it pretty again. I get a great deal of satisfaction knowing that I don't throw things (like my M) away. When I fix a stubborn leak, it's a celebration. Heck! I even get a great deal of satisfaction knowing I have a real cast iron tractor in the shed.

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Matt Page

04-30-2004 20:43:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Dan Kelley, 04-30-2004 12:30:43  
THATS the way I feel... I... have something in the shed that I can go use and work... and as time goes by and they only get rarer, more people will appreciate what I've done. It's solid, dependable, understandable, and I LIKE IT. This is the best hobby anyone could ever have. You know... I look at these things, and think about the work they've done, and just feel a respect.. and an obligation, to keep it in the groove... I like to hear 'em run and work, and like to see others surprised when an OLD tractor or engine does the job... just like it always did... and always will as long as someone knows how to use it. They don't make AMYTHING like 'em today... matt

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Allan

05-01-2004 06:41:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Matt Page, 04-30-2004 20:43:24  
Mornin'

You guys are writing up some good reading here and you seem to have the same attitude that I have.

I just bought an old girl that had one brand new front tire and a freshily overhauled engine, but she was obviously quite tired after some 7032 hours of very hard work.

But, there was just something about the look of this old sister that made me want to own her.

I'm in the process of putting on 3 more new tires & tubes, completely going thru the rest of the drive train, all new fluids & filters, new voltage regulator, a new seat and then I will paint/decal her.

Sure, I'm throwin' a bucketful of money at it, but when it is all said and done, I still won't have half of her original cost invested.

I think Matt hit on the right word: respect.

It makes me feel good to give this old tractor her youth back and to restore her to what she once was.

And if I should happen to ask her to pull another 7000 hours, she'll do it and she'll do it well.

These old tractors just make me feel good inside.

Allan

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Bill Smith

04-30-2004 08:08:04




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 Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Allan, 04-30-2004 05:11:33  
Alot of truth said here. Always exspect some supprizes good or bad when buying sight unseen and leave yourself room for some outs, parting out or scraping it if you have to and still come out on the deal. Me personally, I have to be pretty confident that I am getting a more than reasonable deal to buy sight unseen. Which probably means I'm not going to pay full price for something unseen. If it is a good tractor it is worth taking a look at before spending big money on it. My 2 cents.

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jed

04-30-2004 06:27:08




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 Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Allan, 04-30-2004 05:11:33  
Buying sight unseen is of course a risk, but if you are any judge of character at all, you can discern a person's credibility by what they say and how they say it. Knowing the equipment you are looking at buying helps you to ask very specifc questions.If you are easily snowed watch out. I buy many tractors sight unseen and I can truthfully say I haven't been disappointed. In a couple of cases I broke even and that was because no one could have known how stuck, stuck actually was on an engine. Scrap here is $5.75 for #1 prepared. A 5k lbs tractor at scrap price is worth 5 x $57.50. Stick to that rule on the worst scenarios and you will be okay. Also throw in the used parts market and buy along those guidelines. If you can't get it running you then have those outs.

The END

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rustyfarmall

04-30-2004 06:02:58




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 Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to Allan, 04-30-2004 05:11:33  
I agree with you completely, buying an old tractor sight unseen is just like going to the casino, the only thing that might be better about the tractor is that you don't have to suffer the smokey air and very noisy atmosphere of the casino.
Another thought, sometimes even when you have looked that tractor over very well, and even test drove it, you find something you were not expecting, but at least you did your best.

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Paul in Mich

04-30-2004 06:25:26




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 Re: Re: Buying Sight Unseen in reply to rustyfarmall, 04-30-2004 06:02:58  
Rusty, No matter how calculating we are when buying a tractor, there are always a few surprises. Some good, some not so good. i personally think that that adds to the adventure. I doubt that I would ever buy a perfectly restored tractor even if the price was right because I would be denying myself all the adventures or misadventures of what restoring or reconditioning an old tractor is all about. I guess the fine line we walk is to enjoy our foolishness without being made a fool.

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