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Dan

07-28-2004 06:06:37




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How can I tell if the harmonic balancer is bad? We had to replace the pulley on our 414 engine and installed it cold, what are the chances it hurt its elasticity? And one more thing, what exactly is the harmonic balancer, is it the pulley itself, or is it a ring around the pulley?




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K.B.

07-28-2004 17:40:20




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 Re: harmonic balancer questions in reply to Dan, 07-28-2004 06:06:37  
You got good advice from Allan and Bob. I've always been told that if the rubber ring between the inner and outer pieces shows any signs of cracking or swelling, the balancer needs replacing. If you beat or pull on the outer ring, it is junk. Also, the outer ring of the balancer can "slip". The best way to check for this is to mark the relationship of the inner and outer pieces by drawing a line, put 20 hours or so on the engine, and you will be able to tell if it is slipping. Like Bob said, some engine manufacturers tell you to replace it every so many hours. I've never seen anything from IH, but I think John Deere says 5000 hours for some of their engines. If in doubt, just replace it. When the balancer fails, somthing else is going to break. I once saw an engine that failed due to a broken camshaft. The pistons hit the open valves, and the pushrods were "S"-shaped. What caused the camshaft to break? Vibration- the dampner was found to be in two pieces.

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Allan in NE

07-28-2004 06:33:57




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 Re: harmonic balancer questions in reply to Dan, 07-28-2004 06:06:37  
Mornin' Dan,

How goes the struggle? :>)

The harmonic dampener "absorbs" the (harmonic) torsional vibration of that crankshaft, which normally will start happening at about 1000 to 1500 rpm crankshaft speed; this happens on all engines.

At this speed, the crank is actually trying to 'warp' along its lengthwise axis and is trying to make the ends of the crank rotate in a larger "arc" instead of staying true in a straight line.

A bad dampener can show up in one of two ways and usually involves the rubber tearing loose from either the hub or the weight: Sometimes it will tear loose & ‘slip’ around the rotational axis and the timing marks are not where they should be. Or, at other times, the engine will vibrate when it reaches this 1000 to 1500 rpm range. It is kinda like a rattlesnake, once you are accustomed to it, you never forget it.

Did you hurt the dampener by putting it on cold? Nope, not as long as you were working on the "hub" portion of the unit and not the outer weight. Beating or pressing on the outer weight could cause it to tear all over again.

Hope this helps,

Allan

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Dan

07-28-2004 10:08:39




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 Re: Re: harmonic balancer questions in reply to Allan in NE, 07-28-2004 06:33:57  
Allan:

Big help. Thanks. One more question though. If I understand you correctly, the weight and hub are connected by the rubber, right? Or are they one piece? So if I ever wonder about the harmonic balancer on an engine, I just need to see if I notice a vibration around half idle. It is something I have never had to replace, and consequently never knew much about. Thanks again



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Allan in NE

07-28-2004 11:46:16




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 Re: Re: Re: harmonic balancer questions in reply to Dan, 07-28-2004 10:08:39  
Hi again Dan,

Yes, they are comprised of two pieces, which are held together by the center vulcanized rubber section.

If you have ever felt a pickup or car with a torque converter that was bolted in wrong, that is how they feel; only this shudder is happening at off-idle speeds.

You can think of 'em as a "motor mount designed for the crank". They essentially do the same function. Absorb and offset the vibrations.

I’ve only run across two or three bad ones in my lifetime, but when they are bad, you sure know it.

Allan

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Bob

07-28-2004 10:28:53




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 Re: Re: Re: harmonic balancer questions in reply to Dan, 07-28-2004 10:08:39  
Check with a dealer to see if there is a suggested replacement interval on your model (as there is on many diesels).

If your's has never been replaced, you may be due for a new one, as the rubber insert hardens over the years of heat and vibration, and no longer may be absorbing as much torsional vibration as it should.

While they aren't cheap, replacement is a heckuva lot cheaper than a broken crankshaft, and probably ruining the block along with it.

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