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Double acting hydraulic piston off a single spool?

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clanger

09-27-2004 06:27:57




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This may sound a rather dumb question, but I've got a transport box that mounts on the 3ph of my 484. I'm getting fed up with leaning back to reach the release lever and would love to fit a hydraulic cylinder to it to make tipping easier and maybe to allow me to angle it to make it better at leveling gravel, etc.
I suspect I may need a double acting cylinder, but I've only got a single spool. Does this mean I can only run a single acting cylinder?

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JB2

09-27-2004 18:56:20




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:27:57  
Hi clanger, all 454,484,495s that were shipped to Canada all had dual spool valves. The outlets are in the same place as your single outlet. About 10 years ago, a nieghbour put additional dual spool valve on his 684 and it cost about $450 CND.

Good luck
JB2



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Clanger

09-28-2004 01:28:17




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to JB2, 09-27-2004 18:56:20  
Hi JB2.

Shame that it doesn't have a dual spool fitted as standard. Maybe it has but only has a single port on it.... doubt it!

My IH breaker has given me a price of £125 for a complete kit including spool, lever, bolts, pipework and another port.

This doesn't seem too bad, but I'm going to see if I 'really' need it first.



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Bob

09-27-2004 07:47:02




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:27:57  
Even if you have a single spool, single acting valve with one hydraulic coupler, you should be able to get by.

Are you replacing the 3-point top link with a cylinder? If so, all you would need to do is hook the hydraulic port to the "retract" port on the cylinder. Hydraulic pressure to raise, gravity drop. Install a hydraulic breather in the other port to keep dirt out.

Alternately, if your 484 has only a single acting spool, you may be able to get a double acting valve and lines and couplers from a tractor wrecking yard, and swap yours out.

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clanger

09-27-2004 08:17:38




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to Bob, 09-27-2004 07:47:02  
Hey Bob, you're right..... DOH!
Just use a double acting cylinder and push it closed, let gravity do the opening bit!!

Proper double acting system would be better as I could then 'push' the box into the ground for levelling gravel etc. I didn't know you get get a double acting valve - is this a manual switch that allows you to simply switch which line the pressure goes down?



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Bob

09-27-2004 08:24:13




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 08:17:38  
I don't have a parts book for this tractor, I'm thinking a 424 would by similar, and there was an option for the single or double acting valve on that machine.

I'm thinking the double acting valve was an option for your's, too, and that is why I suggested checking with tractor wreckers to find a double acting valve, and swapping it onto your tractor.



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CNKS

09-27-2004 07:19:24




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:27:57  
If you want 2-way hydraulics, you need two ports. If you can get by with gravity for the release, you can use the opposite direction to angle it with the single port you have. I am not at all familiar with the 484. Some tractors can be set up to handle either double or single acting cylinders simply by turning a valve.



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Allan in NE

09-27-2004 07:36:14




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to CNKS, 09-27-2004 07:19:24  
CN,

I've never been around one of these little guys, but don't you think that this is an oddity tho on this model of a tractor? Maybe originally someone was trying to save a few bucks on the purchase price?

Surely, they weren't all configured that way, were they?

Allan



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CNKS

09-27-2004 07:48:49




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to Allan in NE, 09-27-2004 07:36:14  
I know nothing about the 484, but I imagine they came both ways. I recently bought a 460 with the switchable valves I mentioned. It has 2 spools, one with one port, one with two. Both can be set for single or double acting, obviously I need to get another port for the single one, which I intend to do.



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Allan in NE

09-27-2004 06:32:28




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:27:57  
Naw,

Hook 'er up, it will work just fine 'cause the same spool controls both ports.

Allan



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clanger

09-27-2004 06:40:40




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to Allan in NE, 09-27-2004 06:32:28  
Wow, really??!!

OK, now I'm really confused. I know nothing about this sort of stuff, so any knowledge you can impart would be very much appreciated.
If I've got a single hydraulic port, how can it operate a double acting cylinder? Don't I need two ports? One to push the ram out and another to push it back in again?



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MM_TX

09-27-2004 06:59:23




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:40:40  
If you have the single spool already in use you need another spool. Each spool will control one thing with up and down pressutre or only up depending on how it is set up. Forward up & back down or back up & forward down depending on plumbing. Search the archives. There is a lot of info that will make it all make sense. There are a lot of options & applications.



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Allan in NE

09-27-2004 06:54:02




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:40:40  
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Clanger,

You don't have two ports on that tractor like so?

Allan



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clanger

09-27-2004 06:58:42




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to Allan in NE, 09-27-2004 06:54:02  
No :-(

Just the one port. I"ll look into fitting another though - seems to make sense.

Thanks for the info Allan.



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Allan in NE

09-27-2004 07:05:35




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 06:58:42  
LOL!

Now, you've got me totally confused!

I'm lost, & I dunno..... .



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clanger

09-27-2004 08:07:28




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to Allan in NE, 09-27-2004 07:05:35  
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Here's the back end of my 484 complete with single port.
Just spoken to the IH breaker/used tractor dealer dealer that I've bought some parts from before, and he says that I need to fit a second spool. Complete kit (spool, pipework, port and levers) about £125 ($200) which doesn't sound too bad to me. Fitting is not difficult apparantly.
I think it's a handy feature to have, so I'm going to go ahead with it.

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scotc

09-27-2004 18:30:53




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 Re: Double acting hydraulic piston off a single sp in reply to clanger, 09-27-2004 08:07:28  
another option is to buy yourself a stand-alone remote valve, plumb the supply port on it to a hose with a coupler and plug it into your one-way remote, then find a place to plumb the return line to dump the return fluid back into the rearend (that square plug under your third digit would be a good place to dump the return line) then you have a two-way remote that you turn on by locking your stock hydraulic lever on. Money-wise probably the same but it may be less involved, and you could have a single or double remote depending on what you want and what you can get over there across the pond.

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