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farmallkid From

02-12-2005 16:12:13




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With this tragic incident that happened with Mike's uncle, and has happened to other people we know, I got to thinking about people i know now and how good of a driver they think they are. There is sometimes i'm talkin to my uncle or dad about which new kind of tractor i drove, or just talkin to fellow collectors about driving the antiques, there is always someone who butts in and says, why do you talk about driving tractors? I can drive a tractor! And most the time its the same person, I just say, Everyone can drive a tractor, but that dont mean you can operate one, operating meaning working with them in the field, hooking up implements and driving on the road ect, they look at me dumb when i say it. And all these people who look at me funny are joyriders!. Now i am not saying that all these people in these accidents were joyriding, cause most of them are everyday farmers at work. Most of the people i am talking about are 20yrs and younger. So is my theory correct? Just cause you can drive one, dont mean you know how to operate it correctly.

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Hugh MacKay

02-13-2005 06:42:59




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid From Ont,, 02-12-2005 16:12:13  
Mitch: Mike's uncle is in a catergory few achive. They are still out driving tractors, feeding cows, etc. well into their 80s. Most know they are not as quick and agile as they once were. Most will operate equipment away from others, so not to injure others if something goes wrong. Yes, they should be allowed to do these chores. And yes many of them have actually died a natural death, which resulted in what looked like an accident.

That whole situation is quite remote from guys your age. You fall in what I call 4 catergories; skilled and smart, lucky and smart, unskilled and smart and last accident looking for a place to happen. The skilled and smart will do well. The lucky and smart, we just hope his skills catch up with him before his luck runs out. The unskilled and smart will usually find other duties.

The dangerous one is the accident looking for a place to happen. 50 years ago this guy was no problem as no one would employ him, and he never had the resources to buy his own dangerous toys. With the advent of safety devices on cars, trucks, tractors, etc. society now believe this guy is actually employable, that he can operate most powered equipment and not get hurt, nor hurt anyone. Of course the driving force behind all this is society's desire to have these tasks carried out at minamum wage.

Just give you an example. Mack truck that I drive lost significant power. After much searching we found that an option the truck doesn't even have was working well. The truck is wired for a TORQUE LIMITER, and after 7 years this wiring harness chafed, shorting out and cutting engine torque in half, but in this case it was happening on the highway at highway speeds. One day between Tilbury and Chatham on 401 this started acting up. Truck was empty and could only achive 90KMph. The TORQUE LIMITER is actually only supposed to activate when brakes are on, truck is in reverse and some limit torque in lower gears. This is clearly designed so employers can hire an idiot to drive and not hurt the truck. I'm not quite sure these ideas are smart or efficient.

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Dan in Ore

02-13-2005 04:11:49




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid From Ont,, 02-12-2005 16:12:13  
Hey Kid, I will give you an example of how a FREAK accident can happen.

A local gentleman in his 70's was baling hay. He crawled under the baler to re-string the knotter and a tire blew out crushing his chest and killing him. I don't know of anyone who would put a block or jack stand under a baler before crawling under there. It just shows that sometimes accidents happen and are not caused.



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Alvin NE WI

02-12-2005 19:22:58




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid From Ont,, 02-12-2005 16:12:13  
this last fall my new SIL, and not really the farorate as of yet, but that is another story, any way he comes over to use the loader tractor, son left he go with it, nice, quite new and cab,etc. When he came back with it he had his 2 kids from a prior shackup and the dog in cab. I told never again..If something happens whos fault is it? Not his cause he will say he didn't ever read the operators bible. Don't think he likes me too much either.

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sam in mo

02-12-2005 18:03:03




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid From Ont,, 02-12-2005 16:12:13  
Even if you know what you are doing you can still have a accident.I grew up on a 22 MH rakeing hay all around the neighbor hood. Never had a close call. The rake was a 3pt.hitch JD rake. It was almost impossiable to keep the the front wheels on the ground. I have a 21 MH just like the 22. I turned it over with a brush hog on it 50 feet from my front door. I over looked a boom pole in the weeds that I had set there. I was watching behind me when I felt the tractor start to come up,but I missed the clutch.I was on a 2% sloap. I jumped and got luckey. The tractor landed on its top pinning my legs under the fender,the tractor was running,brush hog blade turning about a foot from my head.I couldnt reach the key and it finally ran out of gas. tried to wiggle out from under it and my back was up tight against a 3/8s electric fence post. I was real lucky as all that I had wrong was some bruised leggs. Wasent no need to go to doc.Two weeks later set the tractor back up and started it up. fixed the sterring wheel and cut grass with it. Luck was with me all the way around.Since then I came close to turning a d 8 over on a rockey slope.I had enough dirt on the lower side of me that when i slide down the slope the dirt birm kept it from going all the way over. I try to be carefull but sometimes things just happen.I have been on eqt all my life but that dosent make me immune from mishaps. Sory for the long post but try not to be to over confident. Lucky sam

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Farmallkid From Ont,

02-12-2005 17:17:59




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid From Ont,, 02-12-2005 16:12:13  
Thanks cowman. I really appriciate when someone older reply's and puts a different look on things. Makes me a bit smarter on the way i look at things.



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Nebraska Cowman

02-12-2005 16:40:01




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid From Ont,, 02-12-2005 16:12:13  
no mitch they can't everybody drive, but most of us are fairly careful at least around known danger. But things break when you least expect it. I was loading an engine for a kid and he was walking along side guiding it like people always do. well the chain came loose and I was sure glad he wasn't under it. It was all over before either of us had time to think. I've seen spindles break on tractors with a loaded bucket several feet off the ground. (how you gonna load a spreader if you don't raise the bucket?) Not a prety sight and in the right place could land the tractor on it's side in a hurry. I've known people who were cushed and killed when something on the loader broke and I've been on loaders when the frame came down on the fenders cuz a bolt broke. Safe as we can try to be kid things happen. most of us will make it to be old men but not all. I thought about that a few years ago when a high school kid was killed in a car wreck. Too fast on a gravel road. Now how many of us have done that? But we got away with it. That kid didn't.

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Ron in Nebr

02-13-2005 02:41:33




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-12-2005 16:40:01  
Cowman's right, especially with his comparison to the kid on the gravel road. I have an additional "hobby" outside of old tractors, that has me going sideways at up to 100mph on dirt tracks every summer weekend. I feel that I'm a pretty fair driver. But last Sunday afternoon on I-80 between Grand Island and Lincoln NE in the middle of a snowstorm on solid ice I was putting along and cars and trucks were flying by. I passed lots of them later on when they were sitting in the ditch. Being a "good driver" isn't all about skill, it's also about using your head and not doing something that's dangerous.

Same deal with operating a tractor. I've been on 'em all my life and usually try to avoid anything potentially dangerous. But, being human, there's probably not many among us who've never done something at some time that's made us cringe, thinking "gee, what if..." I know I have.

Normally we get by with it. Sometimes it ends up being one of those "close call" stories, and sometimes, sadly, it's the final story.

One thing though, is that you can't really compare an accident caused by an operator doing something they shouldn't to one caused by equipment failure. Two different things. Sure, when you're doing something, like Cowman's example of carrying an engine with a chain, you should always keep in mind that the chain COULD fail. I had a neighbor killed that way.

But you can't always go through life avoiding every potential failure. Nobody limits themselves to ten miles an hour on the freeway in order to be safe in case a tire blows. And nobody limits themselves to only raising their loader three feet off the ground in case something on their tractor breaks either.

Might not be the proper place to say it, but I've always been a firm believer in the theory that when your time's up, it's up. Whether you're on an airplane, driving down the road, or lying in bed. You can be the most cautious person in the world but when you're number's called, that's it....

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farmallkid from ont

02-12-2005 17:23:46




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-12-2005 16:40:01  
above is supposed to be here.



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Harley

02-12-2005 18:02:14




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 Re: Is this true? in reply to farmallkid from ont, 02-12-2005 17:23:46  
Absolutely right guys. And another thing, The older we get the more careful we get. I think they call that experience, but I know I used to do things I wouldn't be caught dead doing now. When we are younger, we are bullet proof and we all know it. When we get a little older (56) We think, "If I'd have known I would have lived this long, I'd have taken better care of myself". Nonsense. We would have made the same mistakes. It is called timing, and we all know men don't have any. We just go ahead with what we know. Not much till we get older. Later, Harley

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