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Forgotten Batch of Farmalls.

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Brian in Toront

04-02-2005 19:49:09




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Was talking with an old timer yesterday about farmalls, he told me an interesting story which I thought I would run by you guys, forgive me if I mix up a couple of details, we talked about quite a few things. This gentleman was telling me that his family purchased a Farmall C, or maybe it was a "A", doesn"t matter really...anyway, he said that the machine was built in 1938, prior to the war, somehow it was part of a batch of tractors which got somehow forgotten in inventory, then in 1947, was released for sale as a 1947 model. This gentleman said that the batch was made and not sold for some reason associated with the war. Anyway, I was telling this gentleman about how great the internet could be, especially for people interested in tractors. He ownes a W4 and a "A". Told him I would post our conversation and see what you guys throw back about this topic which I thought was interesting.

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Tom Graham

04-06-2005 17:07:05




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
A farmer near New Prague, MN, ordered a new Case threshing machine in 1945 or 46. It didn't arrive at the dealership till after harvest was over so the farmer didn't take it. The dealer parked it in his warehouse, where, the older it got, the more valuable it became. It's still in Minnesota and is shown at some of the shows. It has never had even a single bundle run through it.



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Jim in Michigan

04-03-2005 12:12:38




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
couple years ago in Eagle River Wisconsin, bout 50 miles from me,, they were selling raffle tickets for a "brand new" 1953 corvette,. I cant recall the exact details, but when tearing down a wall between two buildings the car was found,, it was in a area of a old dealership, one side was a chevy dealer, the other was a diner,, I dont recall why it was walled up in there.. I did buy a ticket as did my brothers, we didnt win lol,,,Jim

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George 2

04-03-2005 08:10:51




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
I also have heard stories like this before. The latest I saw were 1981 production 5100 grain drills not being sold until 1985. This was due to improper rotation of inventory. For this case more than likely the story is that a very early Farmall A built in the summer of 1939 and perhaps setup as a demonstrator for county fairs was kept by the branch to be used as a demonstrator and then forgotten about for a while. Since the 1939 Farmall A had no provision for a starter and starter equipped models started to be produced in late 1940, it is not conceivable that this tractor could have been used as a demonstrater in 1941 and after. I remember a Farmall 400 being like that until it was finally sold in 1962. In it's case it was just a lack of buyers at that time in that area.

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Hugh MacKay

04-03-2005 13:00:48




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to George 2, 04-03-2005 08:10:51  
George: I remember hearing a story of a Farmall MD or SMD in eastern Ontario. Seems dealer had it in inventory 3 or 4 years. No one wanted it thinking it was too big. He then loaned it to a local church or cemetary committee, for some grounds work. Seems as though they broke something. My memory is a bit hazy on this, but would it be possible they ran it on gas, never switching to diesel side. Story I heard was dealer parked it in a shed where it stayed for over half century. Last I heard of it some group were repairing it and going to sell it lottery style. I think possible that all appeared in Canadian Antique Power, before the buyout.

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George 2

04-03-2005 16:56:59




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-03-2005 13:00:48  
I also know the tractor and the dealer. My father dealt with him on occasion and I have seen that tractor back in the early and mid 1960's. The story was that in 1947 IH was pushing the M and MD series into areas which had been traditionally H and W4 markets. He told me he took the MD on consignment when pushed to take an M by the block man. He thought the M gas would scare people away by it's fuel consumption. Anyway the farmers in that area weren't yet ready for diesels and he got stuck with it. I have also heard the church story and how it was rarely used. I am told the tractor is still around. A friend of mine, Quebec Red saw it just a couple of years ago and knows it's whereabouts. There always will be a few tractors that rarely get used. Some people buy tractors for other than normal use. Just last week I saw a 1994 model 7240 with only 785 hours sell at Glencoe, ON. It was a beauty and it brought big money (high $80's). Even the older Magnums are selling well also. I saw a 1991 model 7140 this week with 9265 hours sell for $41,000 at Mitchell. And the tractor looked excellent considering the hours. It could have passed for a 4000 to 5000 hour tractor. No question about it, that as time goes on the first generation Magnums (7100 to 8900 series) are gaining a reputation for being bullet proof.

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Hugh MacKay

04-03-2005 06:46:12




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
Brian: Down through the years there have been rumours of forgotten vehicles of every make and model. There is no doubt some of these are true. A lot of it could be inventory not being rotated properly. My Super A for example is a 1953, yet it was sold new at Truro, Nova Scotia in Sept of 1955. I have heard stories of tractors being sold new, 4 to 5 years after manufacture.

The one that intriged me the most was a story of a railroad company in southern US, finding several rail car loads of 1957 Chevy's, that had been shunted off in a wooded area for some 45 years. Apparently this 20 lane rail siding had been used during war time as a holding place for equipment destined for overseas. Story said it had been used since for storing out of service rail cars.

In my opinion, one of those 57 Chevy Belair with V8 engine 0 milage in 2002. Man that would be a tresure.

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Paul in Mich

04-03-2005 08:56:16




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-03-2005 06:46:12  
Hugh, One of those 1957 Chevy Belair with V8 with 100,000 miles in 2002 (in good shape of courrse) would still be a treasure.



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Hugh MacKay

04-04-2005 09:27:55




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Paul in Mich, 04-03-2005 08:56:16  
Paul: 57 Chevy is frist car I ever drove. Dad thought since the oldest of his boys were starting to drive, 6 cylinder with standard shift would be the order of the day. Then he sat back telling me of his first new car, a 1935 Ford coup with flat head V8. How he could impress his friends, with the get up and go of the Foed. In 1935 not many 23 year old lads had a new car. Dad got his first job about a year after the 29 crash, never missed a weeks work during the 30s. If I remember correctly the Ford coup was under $1,000. My first car was a 58 Pontiac Catalina, two door hardtop, bought it in 61. Man that thing had enough chrome to sink the Queen Mary.

Dad always stuck with the Chevy's. He said I got my Olds and Buick habit from my grandfather. The first of his Buicks I remember was a late 30s model. I think grand dad's thing with cars, was his kid sister school teacher, she went off to MA as a young teacher, married a jeweler. She always came to Nova Scotia every summer driving a sedan that could push a locomotive. DeSoto, Buick, etc were the names I remember. Grand dad couldn't let Lizzy get ahead of him.

You probably know this, every Maritimer has relatives in New England. My Grand dad was heavy on politics, strong Tory, but Tories were not fareing well at the polls in 1960. Lizzy would tell him,"Don't know what is the matter with you George, you can't elect a Federal Tory Government. Here we are all your friends and relatives, went off to New England and within 50 years we elected a President." She was of course refering to JFK and the fact she lived in MA. She was one fiesty old girl. George wasn't so bad himself when it came to an argument or just giving someone a hard time.

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JB2

04-02-2005 21:01:02




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
Hi, my Dad ordered a new A in 1944 but didn't take delivery of it till the fall of 1945 as there was a shortage of rubber for the tires.

JB2



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P Backus

04-02-2005 20:39:20




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
I don't really know since I'm not old enough to have lived through it, but I do know a bit about that time period. It's a bit hard to believe. I'm not sure about Canada, but the US didn't enter the war until Dec. '41. The country was producing war materials, at least in part to help support our allies. However, '38 is a bit early for things to be disrupted by the war. The A didn't even hit production until '39 and the C not until, what, '47 ?
There are a lot of things I don't know though, so who knows? I guess stranger things have happened.
Paul

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John in Nebraska

04-02-2005 19:58:54




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 Re: Forgotten Batch of Farmalls. in reply to Brian in Toronto, Ontario, 04-02-2005 19:49:09  
I've heard of things like this, but during the war, tractors were being used up. Factories were scouring everywhere for more iron and scrap. Things were being rebuilt just to run a little longer. Don't know where they would of hid some new tractors. sometimes things left over were sold as the year they were sold, and not made. Like the Comfort tractor by Minneapolis, I read right here that some left over 39's? weren't sold until 47.

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