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GKTX

05-19-2005 19:42:24




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Looking for advice on what might be wrong with my B's starter. The tractor wasn't wired and I don't have a battery so I couldn't test the starter myself. I took it to NAPA and it didn't turn when they put it on the tester. The tester gave an "over current" fault?? I decided to take it apart and see if there was a loose wire or something before I spent $200 for a new one. All the wires look good and a continuity tester says they are intact. Nothing looks broken or out of place (not that I really know what I'm looking for). A couple picture are below. Any suggestons are appreciated. third party image third party image

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Don V.

05-20-2005 16:45:41




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 Re: B Starter in reply to GKTX, 05-19-2005 19:42:24  
Did you check if you have continuity between the field coils and the frame? sounds like they are grounded.



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GKTX

05-20-2005 20:10:41




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 Re: B Starter in reply to Don V., 05-20-2005 16:45:41  
Thanks for your help and input!

I checked the armature bars to the shaft and the the ohm meter registers no flow, so it seems the armature is not shorted. The wires that are exposed do look like they were very hot at some point and melted away their coating in places (they look gray in the picture not the golden color). Could those exposed areas cause the short when its fully assembled (is this what you meant Don V.)? If I'm getting this right then this means it needs to be rewound with new wires?

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captaink

05-23-2005 19:31:48




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 Re: B Starter in reply to GKTX, 05-20-2005 20:10:41  
By dong this test you verified that you do not have a short to ground, but there is still a chance that the windings have lost enough insulation to cause this. I believe that Don V was referring to the windings that are on the outside case of the starter not on the armature. These need to have continuity, and not be shorted to ground (the case) also.

I suggest a good shop that works on starters to get it tested and find out exactly what the problem is with your starter.

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Andy Martin

05-20-2005 08:04:22




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 Re: B Starter in reply to GKTX, 05-19-2005 19:42:24  
Take it to an automotive starter rebuilder. They can repair it for usually under $100, depending on whether it needs a new armature.

I wouldn't place too much stock in the auto parts store test.



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captaink

05-20-2005 07:17:23




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 Re: B Starter in reply to GKTX, 05-19-2005 19:42:24  
It looks to me like the armature had been hot and the insulation has been damaged on the winding. Take an ohm meter and see if there is continuity between the copper bars on the end of the armature and any of the iron parts (shaft for example). The ohm meter should register no current flow at all. I’m going to guess that it will show current flowing meaning the armature is shorted and is shot.

The problem with this test is that there may not be a “short” to ground but rather a condition where the current is taking a shorter path through the wires and not producing the electro-magnetism that is needed to make it turn. You need a growler to test for this problem.

I’m guessing you have the short to iron on the armature. Please post back with your results.

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Nat

05-20-2005 05:27:34




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 Re: B Starter in reply to GKTX, 05-19-2005 19:42:24  
Gotta agree with old, for a change :) (actually, we didn't disagree, he just thought we did)

Anyway, "over current fault" means the starter is drawing WAYYYYY too much current. Probably a shorted winding. Testing for continuity will not find this problem, because the winding is SHORTED, not broken. It will still show continuity because there's still a circuit there.



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old

05-19-2005 21:19:27




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 Re: B Starter in reply to GKTX, 05-19-2005 19:42:24  
The armature may be bad or the outer coil widings maybe bad. If you need a good starter I have one I'd sell, has been bench tested and it works good.



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