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Allan in NE

06-27-2005 12:12:46

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Okay,

Pardon my ignorance, but I've never cowboy-ed one of these things before.

Takes a half-mile to turn this thing around. Do I assume that I make a clover-leaf to the left to make the right hand turn? :>(

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

06-28-2005 07:30:47

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

Allan: Turn right, it doesn't matter whether it's 45, 90 or 180 degrees. I've mowed 30 acres and never lifted the platform. Probably only done that couple dozen times, but it did happen more than once. With that 686, just use TA on turns as well as mowing through pre cut hay.

New Holland wrote the best manuals on the market in the 60's and 70's. Their trouble shooting section was unequaled by anyone. It was a very good part of the reason why their hay machines worked so well.

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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 10:11:55

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-28-2005 07:30:47

Hi Hugh,

I gather from you fellows that when you crank 'er around the bend, that right mower tire must backtrack somewhat?

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

06-28-2005 15:36:52

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 10:11:55

Allan: Right on, and no better tractor to do it with than 656, 666 or 686. The larger big frame Farmalls with 6" longer wheel base just don't do it quite as well.

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Jimmy King

06-28-2005 01:30:51

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

Allan, I always throdle down about 1/2, run your sicle right out to the edge cut clean then turn hard and fast, will have a square corner every time after a little practice.

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the tractor vet

06-27-2005 18:11:52

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

It will make square conners and till ya get use to it run in 3rd. with the stick ahead at PTO speed . On some long fields after ya get it opened up and no longer maken the square conners then go to 4 th. when i use to pull one with my 450 i mowed in 4th and at times it was to fast and road gear was out of question. Oh yea pullen the T/A on the corners helps a bunch that way you can stay in the seat.

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Jonfarmer

06-27-2005 16:11:46

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

Those are made to turn extremely sharp, 180* turns can be made, 90* turns are nothing, just as long as you have a quick and nimble tractor on it, which looks like you do. Those are ok, but it's more fun to use a disc bine and make those turns in 7th gear (7th gear with an Allis Chalmers 200 anyway) with the throttle wide open. You'll find that any mower will work better with lots of throttle especially with high ground speed. Play with it and find what gear works best with your tractor and of course go slow in rough or stony fields, any mower of course won't work very well with dull or missing blades. hope this helps

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CJ-maybe

06-27-2005 15:25:25

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

It'll go square.A little practice and timing.When the knives clear standing hay crank the steering hard-I used a litte brake,enough so the front wouldn't slide-when the front tire is about in the standing hay bring it back a bit.The outside end of the mower will actually back up .Neat as heck.Make sure the tire/tongue guard is in the right spot,they'll hit when everthings right.It's been along time,you might have to feel out just when to turn.Pic brings back good times,1st an AC 180,then a 806,then 966.806 had the quick hitch,handy to fold/unfold mower.Finally just started moving it set up.

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Joe Evans

06-27-2005 14:22:11

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

Well heck, Allan, I never cowboyed one of them either until last Friday!

Was helping a good buddy with haying, and he needed an extra tractor, so I put some gas in the 460 and headed off to where he wanted the help.

I raked while he round-baled some stuff that had been down for a day or so. He got to eye-ballin' the hydraulic fittings on the 460 and wondered if they would connect with the Haybine. Well...they did, and before you know it, I lost my virginity with respect to running a Haybine on the remaining part of the hay field.

As for point rows, I was instructed to keep the outboard-most part of the Haybine in the uncut grass and let the cut grass go thru the inboard part of the Haybine. This worked quite well with no plugging.

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Iowa Jim

06-27-2005 13:31:49

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

Allen:

Make sure you have the tire stop on the tongue adjusted properly for those left hand turns. It is outlined in the Operator's Manual.

I just bought a 495 this spring and have been happy with it on our hay farm. I cutl 35 acres with it yesterday.

Jim

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MAGMAN

06-27-2005 12:34:29

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

ALL the ones I have run you get to the end of the field and hit the right hand brake and come right around sharp. The trickey part is when you only have a strip left in the middle and you try to cut it without plugging her with already cut hay on either side. That takes a little practice. JON

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Allan in NE

06-27-2005 12:46:57

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to MAGMAN, 06-27-2005 12:34:29

Thanks Jon,

So it must be something like running a sickle bar mower, I guess? Find just the right spot, stand on the brake and "whip" it around square?

Allan

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Leland

06-28-2005 03:24:21

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:46:57

You don't need brakes to turn I always made about 4-5 rounds then started laying it off in lands made things easier and not cramping pto in tight turns after all the rake will find it no matter how ya cuts it.

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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 04:33:55

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Leland, 06-28-2005 03:24:21

Hi Leland,

Well, let's hope it doesn't rain and the rake just sets in the yard. :>)

Allan

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Leland

06-28-2005 08:32:20

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 04:33:55

Allan around here you can cut all the hay you want no rain here to speak of , but on the map I see you lucky dogs seem to be getting more than your fair share best of luck.

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Sloroll

06-27-2005 12:50:02

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Re: You Want Dumb? I'll Give Ya Dumb in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:46:57

Yup Yup Yup! Easy with power steering and all!She should cut nice and square.

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Sloroll

06-27-2005 12:20:08

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I'll Give Ya Dumberer in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:12:46

I have never run one either but I would think it would make a square corner to the right like my old power binder. I would have been, and am, suprised it wont! Maybe ifn you force it.

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Allan in NE

06-27-2005 12:25:28

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Re: I'll Give Ya Dumberer in reply to Sloroll, 06-27-2005 12:20:08

Hi Bill,

It took me an hour to screw up my courage enough to ask that question. Now, I don't know what a "power binder" is??

I'm really losin' ground here. :>(

Allan

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Sloroll

06-27-2005 12:31:24

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Re: I'll Give Ya Dumberer in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:25:28

It is a grain binder used to bundle wheat, oats, rice etc so some poor slob can shock em! Early ones were ground driven the later ones ran off the PTO. Still had some poor SOB trotten along behind shocking though :? ) I much prefered operating the threshing machine. I had a Woods Brothers outfit and a JD powerbinder.

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Sloroll

06-27-2005 12:35:47

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Power Binder in reply to Sloroll, 06-27-2005 12:31:24

This one is just like mine except I took off the tractor controls. Mine was bought new and lost in a poker game by my neighbor. A friend 9THe losers neighbor across the gravel rd. kept it in his barn never used until he bought a Case Steamer in the late sixties. It never cut a total of 300 acres in it's life.

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Jimmy King

06-28-2005 06:32:23

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Re: Power Binder in reply to Sloroll, 06-27-2005 12:35:47

Dad started me driving the tractor pulling the binder when I was about 10. One of the worst but chewings I ever got was about square corners, and not keping the tractor wheel again the uncut grain.

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Rustyj14

06-27-2005 14:23:18

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Re: Power Binder in reply to Sloroll, 06-27-2005 12:35:47

Your picture sure brought back some good memories! My grandfather had a McCormick-Deering binder, but his was horse drawn. My uncle and i would go along behind it and stand the bundles up in shocks of 3 or 4, with one on top! Later, we'd go out with the horse drawn wagon and pick them up and take them to the thrasher, when it came to the farm! I was always fascinated by that machine, and i could never figure out how it could tie knots in the binder twine, and tie them up! I do know, when it ran out, Grampaw had some choice words to say to that machine! Some moderns say the good old days weren't so good, looking back now, but, we didn't have anything better to work with, we used what we had! by: Rustyj
P.S. It must have been good for Grampaw--he lived to be 98 years old!

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NDS

06-27-2005 15:04:14

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Re: Power Binder in reply to Rustyj14, 06-27-2005 14:23:18

That is the way it is still done in nearby Amish community. They all look fit healthy and happy and have 0 unemployment so it is not all bad.

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Allan in NE

06-27-2005 12:43:13

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Re: Power Binder in reply to Sloroll, 06-27-2005 12:35:47

Oh Okay,

The only "binder" I was ever around was the old ground driven one with that big wheel under the mechanics of the thing.

Dad bought the Allis 60 combine after that and the shokin' and threshin' days were over.

Allan

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Jack B. Nimble

06-27-2005 18:15:44

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Re: Power Binder in reply to Allan in NE, 06-27-2005 12:43:13

Allen, forget the driving instructions and just get out there and drive! That is way to sweet of a tractor to be sitting in the yard while your on the computer!

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Allan in NE

06-27-2005 18:18:16

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Re: Power Binder in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 06-27-2005 18:15:44

Yeah, I know.

But, the darned computer has to pay fer the toys. :>(

Allan

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