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Chisel Plows Again

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Allan in NE

08-15-2005 04:34:42




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Mornin' Guys,

Was reading with interest the thread below about the 826 and the chisel plows and their required horsepower.

Can someone explain to me again why they are used?

A lot of my neighbors use 'em and quite frankly, given the power it takes to tug 'em, I really question the "quality of the finished product" received for the amount of fuel put in.

Are they used because they leave a great deal of trash on the surface for erosion control?

Thanks,

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

08-16-2005 00:53:05




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Allan in NE, 08-15-2005 04:34:42  
Allan: I've never had much experience with chisel plow, however I did hear the following discussion, involving two guys that have been using them in clay ground. The first guy thought the chisel plow was making his ground surface rough. He was talking the settled soil some months after chiseling. He thought it was awfully rough on his combine. The second guy quite agreed. He had mold board plowed several fields, and did all the headlands with a chisel plow. He said it was good he had power shift when planting. Had he not down shifted about 4 gears when turning, he figured he would wreck the planter.

I like to compare this to grading a gravel road. In that case unless you cut it all loose to depth of deepest pothole, the potholes will be back in two days. Same can be said for the mold board plow versus chisel plow. Mold board is going to keep that sub soil surface smooth.

When I look at some these modern day fields and the practices being used, kind of wonder how the cutter bar copes with all this. Hay guys have gone discbine so they just cut the tops off the hummocs. Expensive way to land level, I would think. I somehow don't think combine headers will fare as well.

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Delbert

08-15-2005 06:00:59




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Allan in NE, 08-15-2005 04:34:42  
Allan, a few years ago i used to pull 10 foot number 100 john deere chisel behind a 560.Daeler said that if i ever broke a shank with the 560 he would give me a new one. I didn,t worry to much about going really deep but would pull it in second gear ta ahead and every year i would use it we got better crops and the chisel would pull easier and could go deeper.Twisted shovels would help in that sod. Sometimes it would get tough going but just raise it up alittle. The neighbor used it one year behind a 1066 he could run the thing as deep as it would go and never knew there was anything back there. These v plows may be the thing to use probly a 3 shank about 12 to 16 inches deep would loosen up that soil may not get the old sod to good, but would let the water go down. Anywho enough of the what if, sure like your up dates keep em coming. Delbert

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Allan in NE

08-15-2005 06:15:34




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Delbert, 08-15-2005 06:00:59  
Hi Guy,

I've got a couple of neighbors that I watch like a hawk. The one is a big operator and I can't really equate with him nor his equipment (40' wide implements).

The other fellea kind of does it the way I do; with the older equipment. He uses a 15' Graham Homie chisel with 15" or 16” sweeps on, but he tells me that it leaves his ground "uneven" even tho he travels on the diagonal.

Just tryin’ to get a grip on this dry land stuff. Totally foreign to me.

Allan

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RustyFarmall

08-15-2005 06:00:31




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Allan in NE, 08-15-2005 04:34:42  
The chisel plow was one of the first implements introduced when we started thinking about reduced tillage and soil conservation. It would loosen the soil and also leave residue on top of the ground which reduced wind erosion. In most, but not all, operations, it replaced the mold board plow. The chisel plow is actually more efficient than a mold board plow, covering more than twice the ground in one pass, using the same amount of fuel.

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jossette

08-15-2005 05:43:05




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Allan in NE, 08-15-2005 04:34:42  
a no-till planter does even better...



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Jim Allen

08-15-2005 05:06:02




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Allan in NE, 08-15-2005 04:34:42  
I'm just getting started with one. They break up the ground without turning it over and leaves a more level surface... thus eliminating a couple of steps (or at least one) in the tillage process. Watching my neighbors, I have noted it reduces the number of times over the field, and thus compaction. The trash on top is a benefit (mulch, you could call it) that holds moisture and prevent erosion. Around here, where clay is the norm, even guys that no-till will chisel plow because it helps to eliminate compaction and impoves drainage. Perhaps one of the real pros has somethign to add or comment upon.

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Rauville

08-15-2005 05:03:03




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 Re: Chisel Plows Again in reply to Allan in NE, 08-15-2005 04:34:42  
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I think you answered your own question. The idea behind their development was based on the 1930's dust storms. You want to keep the soil out of the air, and retain moisture. But, you're doing a fine job. Nothing prettier than a moldboard turned field.

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