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Ed Weld

09-03-2005 15:51:38




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Hello Folks; My Farmall "C" is a 6volt system but starts much easier if I jump start the tractor with a 12 volt from another tractor. Is this potentially dangerous or OK to do? Thanks in advance again!!




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lee

09-04-2005 06:05:08




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Ed Weld, 09-03-2005 15:51:38  
Several things may cause battery explosions.
Direct shorting of the battery posts external as in Hugh's case. Connecting an over voltage source external. A spark or flame igniting highly explosive gasses given off by a battery on charge (hydrogen gas mixed with oxygen is highly explosive even in small amounts). This is why you should always make the final jump connection away from the battery or batteries.
Excessive current in the battery leads to heating which eventually leads to internal damage, internal failure and sometimes explosion. not always an explosion. Conditions must be right. That's why many have done things for years with no problems so they assume all is well. The space shuttle is known to be dangerous. It has flown successfully hundreds of times. It has also had issues as we are all sadly aware.

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Joe in VT

09-04-2005 04:25:43




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Ed Weld, 09-03-2005 15:51:38  
My 6 volt Super C was a hard starting ole girl .
Over the summer I replaced all the 50 year old wiring . I also had the starter rebuilt and Generator /regulator checked out and tested plus a new New ignition switchand battery cables
I had the folks at the Starter/Generator repair shop make me up the new wiring harness. I labled each end of every wire so as not to get confused when reinstalling !...brought it down to the shop and they duplicated them with new wire ,connectors heat shrink tubing on the ends and gave me a loom to run the wires through.They did a great job. The total cost of the rebuild was $250. The tractor now starts right up ,what a pleasure !!
Joe

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john d

09-03-2005 22:07:29




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Ed Weld, 09-03-2005 15:51:38  
I'll echo the others' concern about exploding the 6 volt battery. It can happen. I always wear safety goggles whenever I am using a batter charger.



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stu in njo

09-03-2005 19:40:20




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Ed Weld, 09-03-2005 15:51:38  
We use our c 7 days a week .If you keep it well tuned all connections clean and tight you will not have to jump it and blow your self to bits.



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Hugh MacKay

09-04-2005 04:00:20




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to stu in njo, 09-03-2005 19:40:20  
Stu: May I remind you if running 7 tractors, 2 skid loaders, 4 trucks as I did in a cold climate, someday, a particular vehicle is not going to start. When you've got employees standing around being paid by the hour, the jump cables will come out.

In the case of my 300 battery had reached end of it's lifespan, rather than poor connections. 3 guys being paid by the hour were going to use that tractor. Hooking a 12 volt boost to a 6 volt tractor is not what blew the battery. It was not the 6 volt battery that blew. In fact at the time the negative terminals were not connected. Positive side of car was connected to the positive ground of tractor. The shiney steel cable the guys had been skidding logs with fell and hit bumper of car. The tractor had already started, and I was removing cables when this happened. Vibration of tractor running is what cause cable to come loose. I agree I was using cables too short thus car was placed too close to tractor. Thankfully, no one or nothing was injured but my pride.

I can think of numerous other situations that could cause a 12 volt dead short, and do exactly same thing. I've seen numerous cars towed it from being involved in accidents, with batteries blown.

As a kid I remember watching an old guy a bunch of us were helping, cut the battery cable with an axe, on his Ford 8N that was on fire. He yelled for us to get water. When done he praised our quick action. He said, " Well done boys we saved a tractor, and no one got hurt." I never did know exactly what caused that short, he sent us on our way and called in a mechanic.

Just 3 years ago when I moved from NS to ON, hired a trucking company to move my Farmalls SA and 130. At the time 130 had an old battery that wouldn't hold charge over night. I installed a new battery, just so movers wouldn't have trouble with it. When tractor arrived from 1300 mile journey, switch was on, battery was dead and never did take a charge, wiring harness was toast, ( fried to a crisp ) alternator was ruined. I don't know what happened along the way. Tractor was moved with front wheels on upper deck of drop deck trailer and rear wheels on lower deck, with items piled around it. Could some metal object have crossed wires? Could wiring harness have been bad? I will never know for sure. I do know the young lad moving my tractor thought the push botton switch of 130 was little more than a kill switch and you could leave it in either position. Why that never caused a fire or explosion, I'll never know. I do know I shoud have left old battery in tractor.

I will say jump starting requires care, if done right it will be sucessful. It's not for the guy that has to question which way to hook up.

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stu in njo

09-04-2005 08:36:11




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-04-2005 04:00:20  
Hugh if needed i'll pull out the cables. I'm saying that they should not replace good up keep of equipment.



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Hugh MacKay

09-04-2005 11:07:04




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to stu in njo, 09-04-2005 08:36:11  
Stu: I quite agree, nothing replaces good heavy battery cables and clean connections. Can almost double the life of a battery.

I have one right now in a 6 volt Super A, battery is close to 12 years old, 1 guage cables and soldered ends. Must have been a good one as I don't think I ever got over 7-8 years before. This SA does not see a lot of winter starts. I do start it about once per month, let it charge good and warm the engine up good. I try to pick mild days about freezing for that. Tractor warms up better and faster when mild, doesn't hurt my 63 year old carcass either. The battery is now starting to faulter a bit, two weeks and I'm getting out the crank, even in summer. I have a Woods mower and only use SA to mow my 1/2 acre of grass, along with assorted yard work.

I always found with those little C-113 and C-123 engines, you can crank them and have them going faster than you could get the jump cables out.

What I couldn't believe 40 years ago on that Pontiac to 300 start, car was running, blew battery to bits and didn't hurt alternator in car. Car kept running on alternator. I was ahead of 300 rear wheel and had just removed jump cable from solinoid. Logging winch on back of tractor and rear wheel shielded me from the blast. I'll tell you it made me a lot more careful, especially if jumping pos ground systems with neg ground.

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Thanks stu in njo

09-03-2005 19:51:42




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to stu in njo, 09-03-2005 19:40:20  
Good advice. I do not want to blow myself up!!



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Don LC

09-03-2005 17:15:58




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Ed Weld, 09-03-2005 15:51:38  
Yes it is O.K.to jump start a 6v system with a 12v system....You want every thing ready to start,you don't want them connect any longer than nessary....be sure the 6v tractor has the lights turned off...follow the safety rules for jumping another battery....DID YOU EVER SEE ONE EXPLOD?



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lee

09-03-2005 19:13:38




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Don LC, 09-03-2005 17:15:58  

I would tend to disagree with connecting a 12V directly to a 6v. Sure you can get away with it but one day you may just wish you hadn't done it.
You would do better to just start the thing with the 12V by connecting the jump cables to the 12V,
connect the appropriate cable direct to starter lug or on starter side of solenoid if equipped, and then touch the other cable to frame groung to activate starter. In other words, Find an appropriate way to avoid feeding the 12V into the 6V (disconnect a cable on the 6V if you have to) as this can lead to trouble especially if you have a problematic cell in the 6V or a dead 6V. I'm sure others will disagree with this as too conservative but I don't want to be around a battery when it blows. If you do choose to direct connect make sure you don't have anyone else around so as you yourself alone assume the risk.

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Hugh MacKay

09-03-2005 18:49:27




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Don LC, 09-03-2005 17:15:58  
Don: I mught add stay pos to pos and neg to neg, even if tractor is pos ground and other vehicle is neg ground.

I have seen a battery explode. I was bosting Farmall 300 with 63 Pontiac. A steel cable from hitch of 300 slipped and landed on bumper of car. Blew the car battery to bits. So be careful not to allow anything on the two vehicles to touch if ground is one neg and the other pos.



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Lee and Hugh

09-03-2005 19:54:41




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-03-2005 18:49:27  
Thanks! No more jumping for me!!



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Thanks DonLC

09-03-2005 17:56:17




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 Re: Jump Starting Tractor in reply to Don LC, 09-03-2005 17:15:58  
Thanks for the information. I have never seen one explode, but I have heard it is BIG!



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