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Super A governor questions

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peter llanso

09-26-2005 10:40:08




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Bought a '49 Super A, which had been converted to 12 volt with a distributor, but the original wiring harness had been re-used.
Recently it started stumbling, the plugs were crudded, wire connections were suspect, so I changed everything electrical, including coil, points, wires, ammeter, and got a new on-off switch with a fuse, since the original fuse had been by-passed. (Thanks, Mr. Melville, for the wiring diagrams!)

Still stumbling, so I moved-on to more expensive things. Pulled the old carb, opened her up, and for one thing, found that one of the two floats was broken off, but the owner had wired a piece of plastic in the float's place, to compensate. (*Yipes*!) Likely why the carb was occasionally leaking gas, no? But the interior of the carb was full of crud, and what looked like old rust. Rather than try to clean it, and still worry there were orifices plugged, I bought a new carb. WOW! Starts on a dime, runs great!

Now, the governor. It was idling way too fast, and no response with the idle-adjusting-screw, so I left that backed-out about one turn. Backing-off the throttle-stop-screw on the carb slowed down the idle to where it needs to be, (by ear, as I have no tach). However, I now get no engine response until the throttle is about 1/3 engaged; that is, the rockshaft arm doesn't begin to move until the throttle has moved about a third. I have noticed that the rockshaft arm (and rockshaft) are 'loose' and move about 1/4 inch measured at the end of the arm where the connecting-rod-yoke attaches. Is this normal freeplay? I can't see, from my service-manual picture, what would constrain this movement other than the main governor spring or a thrust spring on the end of the distributor-drive shaft.

Is there adjustment where the throttle rod connects to the speed-change-lever, to take up this free-play? The connection is made with a block that slides on the throttle shaft, with springs on either side. These springs are under considerable tension, so I haven't taken them off yet. Is the adjustment made by swapping springs for ones of different lengths?

I'm fairly confident, (considering the jury-rigged-float in the carburetor and the dangling-unused-wires on the old harness), that the main spring in the governor is the original. If this was your tractor, would you go ahead, with my symptoms, and open up the governor? Heck, I've come this far.

Thanks!

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gene bender

09-26-2005 19:11:57




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 Re: Super A governor questions in reply to peter llanso, 09-26-2005 10:40:08  
With engine off take out the pin that is in the yoke giong to the carb. Then open up the trottle full. Now the yoke and rod is moved so the carb is open full then the hole in the yoke should line up with the arm off the gov. If not adjust yoke.



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scotty

09-26-2005 11:10:51




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 Re: Super A governor questions in reply to peter llanso, 09-26-2005 10:40:08  
Peter, When the speed contol lever arm on the govenor is all the way forward, your carb throttle adjustment arm should have the carb all the way open. The threaded clevis arm is your adjustment, simply back off the locking nut and adjust the clevis to open the carb all the way. Hope thats clear. Your thrust bearing in your govenor may also be shot, mine was on my 49 Super A ser#275300. Let me know how you make out.

scotty

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peter llanso

09-26-2005 11:55:30




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 Re: Super A governor questions in reply to scotty, 09-26-2005 11:10:51  
Scotty,
Thanks for the reply. I know exactly where you mean when you say to adjust the clevis. But, whether I adjust that clevis/yoke in or out, (it is on the shaft that rotates the carb-throttle-plate), the governor-rockshaft-arm (to which the clevis is attached)doesn't even BEGIN to move until the throttle is forward 1/3. Thus, it seems to me that I need to figure how to get that rockshaft to move as soon as I start to move the throttle, or I'll still have my original problem.

Thoughts?

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scotty

09-26-2005 12:50:51




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 Re: Super A governor questions in reply to peter llanso, 09-26-2005 11:55:30  
Peter, Just out of curiousity, how much slop do you have between the speed control arm and the bore in the govenor housing. I ended up making a new shaft to elimanate excessive play. If you wanted you could have a machine shop bore out that bore and have it bushed. Just a thought.

scotty



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Vern

09-26-2005 15:27:27




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 Re: Super A governor questions in reply to scotty, 09-26-2005 12:50:51  
Peter;
My S/A (48) has the same throttle condition. No affect until about 1" from full back. It may be a normal condition.

Vern



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Muley

09-27-2005 05:14:54




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 Re: Super A governor questions in reply to Vern, 09-26-2005 15:27:27  
Had the same problem on my 49 SA. Adjusted the clevis and rod as described above. No cure. Then just started moving it back so that holes did not align at rest and the rod or govenor had to be pulled to get pin intalled. After some trial and error the problem was fixed. Just one of those things that don't make sense but worked. Gotta love these old tractors.



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