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Gary_N_WV

09-29-2005 15:21:55




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I traded for a Super H that the guy wanted to get rid of because of carb problems.
I ordered a carb kit from Value Bildd, but when I opened up the carb I found a broken part rolling around in the fuel bowl.
The carb kit doesn't have one included, so I was wondering if anyone knew if I can get the part from a CIH dealer or where I can get a different parts kit that includes it.
I haven't gotten my parts manual from binder yet and the IT manual isn't a very good drawing.
I think it is an idling jet.
Here is a picture and a link to the other piece that was in the fuel bowl.
I hope I can get out the broken brass part that is screwed in.
Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!
Gary

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GordoSD

09-30-2005 15:50:37




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
That brass piece is the metering jet. There is one packaged in the 35 dollar kit, tisco number C510HV sold at my IH dealers. To remove a non broken one turn ccw. To remove broken off jet, use increasing diameter wire size bits until you just leave alittle brass in the threads, and pick that out. Real asy touch starting the new jet. Also available at dealer is float (25$), strainer and inlet fitting (13$), Almost everything else is in that 35 dollar kit.

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Rootsy

09-30-2005 06:58:31




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
I;ve had a few of these broken off in carbs i've taken apart.. they are a fragile piece... i've had spares to replace them with... i've never tried to buy a new one... if i had to i'd just turn a new one on the lathe if i needed...

it screws out of the carb but NOT easily.. if at all... generally i have to drill thru with a drill the size of the minor thread diameter.. then i use a fine pick and peel the brass out of the threads... very difficult for an eaze-out to get in there and grab the brass to remove it...

Jamie

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Wayne Swenson

09-29-2005 19:37:58




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
The jet has right-hand screw threads; turn left to remove. Purchase the correct replacement jet at your IH dealer; they may even have in stock. The one on an H carb is a # 5-40 (if memory serves) machine screw size. Go to a gunsmith friend & borrow the right tap or buy one. Compare the new jet threads with the thread tap BEFORE using it to remove the old threads.
I carefully drilled out the brass portion left in the carb & used the tap to clean out the remaining brass. When drilling; measure the length of threads on the new jet & DO NOT DRILL ANY DEEPER; you can ruin the carb if the drill goes in too far. Just take your time & thoroughly clean out the brass shavings.

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Alan K Royer

09-29-2005 19:27:40




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
Gary that part came in my CIH kit number354453R93. I paid $85. dollars for that kit.
You might want to get a new or rebuilt carb. I spent over $135. for mine by the time I finished and had all the work. Of course I also learned a great deal. I also have a mechanic that worked on these tractors all of his life and he gives me much information.
Al



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JT

09-29-2005 18:12:53




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
That little doodad screws into the carb, I do not know about the Super H kits, but I have a complete kit for an M that has that little doodad in the kit. If you cannot find one, I can order a Super H kit and see if it is in there. I normally keep the H an Super H kit in stock, but I am dropping inventory thsi time of year, so I don't have one at this time. If I can help you, email me and I will do what I can to help.

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DWV

09-29-2005 16:31:44




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
Unless it has been discontinued in last few years the dealer should have them.Some complete carb kits include the idle jet.Think I have extra one I could part with if you can't find it.



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Bob M

09-29-2005 15:38:48




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 15:21:55  
Gary - I ran into EXACTLY the same problem with a nephew's 300U. The busted part is the "idle metering jet" (49 798 D 72).

To date he's has had no luck locating a replacement. Further, I'm not sure whether the jet is screwed or pressed into the float bowl casting (the parts catalog just shows the jet in place). So I don't know how to extract the piece that's left in the casting.

A buddy of mine (a jeweler...) has looked at it. Says he thinks can solder the tube back onto the base. So that's gonna be my next step - unless someone else here offers a better solution.

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Gary_N_WV

09-29-2005 18:18:13




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 Bob M in reply to Bob M, 09-29-2005 15:38:48  
Now that you mentioned soldering...
One concern would be filling the jet full of solder, but you got me thinking...
Years ago, I worked in a machine shop where we welded up cracked valve seats with a gas torch.
We would put round pieces of carbon in the hole and then use cast iron rod to weld the seats without filling up the port.
Maybe....if a guy used a properly sized pencil lead to keep the solder out of the jet bore, he could solder it without having to worry about filling the hole...then you could punch the carbon out with a needle and air...
Just a thought... as a last resort before plunking down bucks.
As for me, I'll probably just buy whatever I have to.

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Bob M

09-30-2005 05:47:41




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 Re: Bob M in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 18:18:13  
Gary - That might just work!

Note that my jeweler buddy was thinking soldering the tube together without removing the seat. Inserting a pencil lead to insure the tube stays open is a good idea - as long as the lead does not break off when you pull it out!

Another possibility: Bond the tube back together with JB Weld or Hysol epoxy patch. I've had excellent luck with this stuff holding busted parts together in the carb on my Minnie Mo U. Also successfully patched a bad float in my attorney's Cub with the stuff.

Trick is to clean the mating surfaces to bare metal, then degrease with trichlor (brake cleaner) or similar evaporating degreaser before assembly to assure a good bond. And to make certain the tube does not get plugged with epoxy when bonding, insert a smooth wire of the proper OD - lightly lubed with "Pam" cooking spray or motor oil - into the jet before bonding.

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If you do manage to locate a replacement jet, removing the remnant of the old one from the bowl may be easier if you heat the area with a propane torch or a GENTLE acetylene flame (e.g. plumber's sweating torch) first. Get it good and hot (but not red!), then allow to slowly air cool back to ambient before attempting to unscrew it.

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Chad from Michigan

09-30-2005 04:56:53




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 Re: Bob M in reply to Gary_N_WV, 09-29-2005 18:18:13  
What ever you do don't use a easy out! Don't Do it! I broke off the idle tube on my cub carb and then I went to the shop at work and I tried the easy out and gues what broke it clean off. I had one hell of a time getting it out.had to use a drummel and a pic and messed up the surface of the carb where it screws in. I got the easy-out out and then drilled the threads out then re-taped. I bought the new idle tube from Case IH it was $14.00 I was a #4-48 thread.

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RustyFarmall

09-29-2005 16:30:04




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Bob M, 09-29-2005 15:38:48  
You will not find that part in any kit, not even the $90 kit that you can get at Case-IH, and I really doubt that it is available separately. This is the same part that I have never been able to remove when I do a rebuild, I am always afraid that I will break it. If it wasn't already broken, there is no need to remove it, the carb can be cleaned just fine with it in place. I think I would go the jeweler route, the only other thing I can think of would be to have a machinist make you a new one.

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the tractor vet

09-29-2005 16:27:44




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to Bob M, 09-29-2005 15:38:48  
That jet screws in but if they are broken off they are a PITA to get out , not sure if ya can get one or not all ya can do is try .



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FarmerSid

09-30-2005 04:53:43




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 Re: Super H Carb help in reply to the tractor vet, 09-29-2005 16:27:44  
A small easy-out will get that sucker out. Had the same problem. Went to a salvage yard and got one out of a bowl of a parts carb.

Cheers!

Sid



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