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Jay (ND)

10-16-2005 14:12:28




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The shift lever on my H has no knob or threads for one. Did some come like this with no knob? Also, as you can see in the picture, I'm missing the bottom 'collar' that holds my spring and everything tight, but what the heck is that top collar for (arrow pointing towards it)? It's too small to be for the bottom.
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And lastly, I already had the gear shifter out and built up the shifting tab (I don't know what it's really called!) as the first that happened when I unloaded it was it stuck in reverse. Apparently this must have been a problem that was too hard for the previous owner to fix as the welch plugs were gone completely. Does anyone know if they are still available from CIH? No biggy on that question as I can call and find out myself.

Thanks again.
Jay

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Nat

10-17-2005 06:22:05




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 14:12:28  
The shifter knob is rubber, and slips on.



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Slappy

10-17-2005 03:02:16




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 14:12:28  
The hole caps you need are available for your CNH dealer - about $1.25 each. I tried unsuccessfully to get them from the auto parts stores (4) in my area and no one has plugs that small.

When I got it, my H had the exact problem you describe. I took a washer and filed the inside out to the correct size and the marked the outer diameter from the spring and shaped it with a bench grinder and file. You can secure it as CNKS suggests with a roll pin or (as I did) use a cotter pin. Put a little paint on it and no one knows the difference.

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Tim Shaw

10-16-2005 18:00:00




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 14:12:28  
Those plugs are just a "flat" frost plug, 5/8" if I remember correctly. I usually just get them at NAPA.



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Bob Frey

10-16-2005 16:35:50




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 14:12:28  
Those welch plugs are something that is available at your local auto parts store. Just take them the measurment and they can match it up. Hope this helps, Bob.



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Jay (ND)

10-16-2005 17:23:19




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Bob Frey, 10-16-2005 16:35:50  
Ya know Bob, what amazes me is this. On my M, when I had this problem, I removed the plugs, pushed out the pin, built up the lever, put back in the pin, and replaced the plugs. It was AT MOST a 30 minute fix.

Now on this H, the lever was never built up, it must have got caught in gear a lot - so they left out the plugs. So tonight as I'm flushing the antifreeze, it gets caught up in reverse. I had already built up the lever, but the stinking PIN CAME OUT! So here I am with a screwdriver and a flashlight, rocking the tractor with my shoulder while I pry it back into neutral. I spent at least 15 or 20 minutes on this. I just don't understand these "field repairs".

My pops, while he was never an educated man, was always a man of common sense. Two sayings he had come into play here. First, do it right the first time, it don't get expensive until you do it the second time. That sort of touches this, as I imagine there were plenty of times that this thing sat for that 10 or 20 minutes with the bailer behind with a rain cloud on its tail. Second, Fix it right away or pretty soon you'll end up fixing everything.

Thanks Bob for your help.

Jay

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CNKS

10-16-2005 14:26:37




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 14:12:28  
The rubber knob is not threaded, just a press fit. I don't know what the top collar is, every thing that fits on the lever slides down to the bottom. I also don't know what the plugs are that you mention, unless they are the poppets and springs that put tension on the shift lever. If so you should be able to make something work even if they are not available. You should be able to use a small bolt, roll pin, or cotter key on top of the spring on the lever, even if you can't find a collar -- someone at salvage should have a collar.

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Jay (ND)

10-16-2005 14:33:28




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to CNKS, 10-16-2005 14:26:37  
Thanks CNKS!
I would have thought that being it was a 42 model, that it would have the steel knob like my 45 M, but that one I know for sure is threaded. I'll find a collar somewhere. It's no big deal. This thing is a strong runner, but has been neglected in the past few years. I just want to get everything working the way it should, and make it look like it should. I have no intentions of a restoration however.

I was only planning on checking and topping off the antifreeze for this year, but alas, there isn't enough in the radiator to test. So I suppose I'll do a flush and refill. Want to take a bet that the drain is plugged solid?

Thanks again.

Jay

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Andrew Z

10-16-2005 14:45:11




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 14:33:28  
Your M was made during WWII and thus it should have the cast shifter. Andrew



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RustyFarmall

10-16-2005 15:02:06




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Andrew Z, 10-16-2005 14:45:11  
Not exactly, some did, some didn't. Also, it may not have the original lever.



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Jay (ND)

10-16-2005 15:11:50




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to RustyFarmall, 10-16-2005 15:02:06  
I'm wondering that being it was towards the beginning of our involvement in WWII, if that they weren't rationing rubber yet and thus had the rubber knob? My grandpa isn't around to ask anymore :/

PS - I would have won the bet - drain plugged solid. Cordless drill and 1/4" bit made short work of that. Nasty stuff, glad it was low - I've seen lighter colored Hershey's syrup.



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RustyFarmall

10-16-2005 22:24:57




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 Re: H shift lever in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 15:11:50  
I remember my parents talking about the rationing. Rationing didn't mean you couldn't get it, it just meant you couldn't get as much as you might need or want, so some of the "war tractors" received cast iron shift knobs, and some of them got rubber knobs. Same way with the "FARMALL" grill emblem, some of those were made of steel, some were made of aluminum.



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