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IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front loaders

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IH300U Guy

11-24-2005 15:15:47




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Hi there. Wondering if anyone out there can help. I have a nice old 1956 IH 300 Utility with Torque Converter. It does not have power steering, but I could really use a front loader. They guys at my local Case dealer recommended that I have power steering. Is this something that I could easily add by searching around for a PS pump and system? Could I also then find an original front loader add-on for it? I would love to keep it OEM, but I bet the parts are hard to find.

Any suggestions?

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Jimmy King

11-25-2005 11:17:41




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
We had a 330U about 3 inches shorter than a 300U it had the U 34 loader on it, it did have power steering. Some of you have seen my post before on the 330U and know I was not too fond of it, however we carried a lot (several thousand) round bales made by a 605A Veemer round baler on front and back of the tractor. Always put the back bale on first and remove last. When we traded the tractor off front axle and losder were still in very good shape. When we moved bales it was in 4th gear with the ears pined back. Like any tractor if it had not had power steering it would have been rough, but even then when moving not too bad.

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Ron Sorden

11-25-2005 08:14:50




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
I have a 300U with a home made bucket. Bucket is slightly less than the width of the front wheels. When I first got it the steering was about impossible and I spent a lot of time researching putting power steering on it. Shortly after I bought it I was going through it lubing and checking fluid levels. The steering box was completely dry. Filled it up and while it doesn't have the ease of power I don't really think it is that hard steering. I also have the ribbed tires.

Ron

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PAULIH300

11-25-2005 07:41:25




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
For all the 300/330/350Us still alive and working after 50 years of loader use,I recommend keeping the manual steering box full of lube,make sure the tie rod ends are not worn severely,keep the front tires pumped up to high blue heaven,use ribbed tires and not deeply treaded like truck tires (reduced friction when turning corners),and adjust the toe in/out (and also make sure the spindles are not bend upward).All of these contribute to heavy steering.Also,do not overload any bucket,use as small a bucket as you can,and do any steering while tractor is moving.
Utes may not be ideally suited to loader use,but nonetheless they have lived 50 years in use..... thats not so bad for a "mistake" on IHs part.

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Sandbur

11-24-2005 19:38:22




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
I have a friend that bought a 300 Utility. it had power steering on it as well as a loader. He bought it without testing it first. #1 lesson learned. anyway it steers hard with the loader empty. he thought the pump was bad. took another pump off of another friend's 300, that they knew worked and swapped pumps. NO DIFFERENCE. Conclusion is that loader is too heavy for that tractor. It doesn't really look big, but it is obviously too big as it is very hard to steer.

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Hugh MacKay

11-25-2005 02:52:35




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to Sandbur, 11-24-2005 19:38:22  
Sandbur: Sure it's going to be hard to steer, going to be hard work for a power steering unit as well. It can't be anything else, one look at the physics of that tractor, the front wheels are just back too far to add and weight up front.

IH gave it that short wheel base, thinking they were going to compete with Ford and Fergie. The 300 was just too heavy for that class of tractor. IH created both one of the greatest tractors on the mid 50 and one of the poorest tractors all with the same basic chassis. The Farmall had the wheelbase and tire size to carry the weight, Utility just didn't. A Farmall with a narrow front would out manuver a utility anyday, and in any application. The American row crop builders should have just let Henry and Harry go their own ways. Both retaliated by building larger and row crop tractors.

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Jim Dobsa

11-24-2005 17:38:31




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
I have a U34 loader I might be willing to sell.



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Hugh MacKay

11-24-2005 17:06:58




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
IH300 U guy: I would think long and hard before spending the money to put power steering and a loader on a 300 Utility. One look at the physics of this tractor and you know it's going to be a bear on steering parts, be it power steering or a powerful man steering. Those front wheels are just too damn close to the back wheels.


Much better are the British built Utilities, they had a straight front axle. Sell the 300, for some reason they are hot right now. Take the funds from 300, add to it cost of power steering and a loader. For that money, you could find yourself with a much more modern IH utility complete with powers steering and loader.

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IH300U Guy

11-24-2005 18:39:34




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - You guys are the best! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-24-2005 17:06:58  
You guys are the best! I have found this site today and gotten several opinions on my question in about 3 hours on Thanksgiving Day!

I am a tractor newcomer and value the knowledge that you experts have!

I will be visiting this site often!

Thank You!



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IH300U Guy

11-24-2005 17:23:32




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-24-2005 17:06:58  
Hey Hugh! Interesting suggestion! When you say British utility, what tractor maker are you talking about. I am a newbey to tractors, just bought a small farm.

I'd love to get a more modern Case, but I am in love with this old 300U. It's like the classic car I could never afford.

How much do you think I am looking at to buy parts and an OEM Loader (if even possible to find)?

Thanks!!!



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Hugh MacKay

11-24-2005 17:55:22




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 17:23:32  
IH 300 U guy: I can see you throwing $2,000. at this old 300 Utility by the time you get it equiped with power steering and a dood functional loader. Our first loader at home was 1950 vintage then came the 300 loaders and later the 4 digit model IH loaders. From that evolution, I can tell you the pre 1960 loaders built for farm tractors weren't much, even when they were new, let alone 50 years later.

When I refer to British built Utilities, I am talking IH. First the B-250 and B-275 came in the mid 50s, followed by the B-414 then 434 and 444. Most 434 and 444 had built in power steering and the loaders were compact, light in weight yet very strong. Later still in the early 70s came tractor like the 574 followed by the 584. Stay away from the older ones with the B prefix, they are same era as your 300. Bassically what I'm trying to tell you is vast improvments were made to all tractors in the two decades following the 300 or 1955. Quite often you will buy that improved technology for same or very little more money. I think this is true of all makes.

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PAULIH300

11-24-2005 15:21:59




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 15:15:47  
That would be a Torque Amplifier.
The steering just needs a new box,hoses,and a new pressure valve over at the reservoir.
You can use manual steering but its a bear with a load on.You need to steer ONLY when the tractor is moving,as it wont turn when stationary.



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IH300U Guy

11-24-2005 16:13:01




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to PAULIH300, 11-24-2005 15:21:59  
Thanks PAULIH300!! So I don't need a pump? Just a steering box, hoses, and high pressure cap? That sounds good to me!

I guess I will go to the local tractor salvage yard and see if they can locate the parts. I'm sure I'm looking at a bill!

Then I have to find a front loader. The guys at the Case dealer were trying to sell me some modern monster of a front loader off of some other brand tractor. I see in my original manual that 300U's were avaiable with optional front loader.

Do you have any great web resources for IH300's?

Thanks very much for your reply! I am pretty new to tractors since we just bought this small farm. I pulled this tractor out of the weeds after 4 years from the previous owner. I have it running great and am storing it in my heated barn. The belly is leaking hytrans like Niagara.

Thanks Paul!

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PAULIH300

11-24-2005 16:22:43




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-24-2005 16:13:01  
If it has Hydra Touch it can run the PS.Thats how the factory did it.The pressure block on PS models has an additional valve in combination to the regular regulating valve that controls system pressure for attachments (loader,Fast Hitch,etc).
A leaking underbelly means the trans/TA seals are gone.El Splitto time.

IH made only one loader for the early Ute,that was the U34 Power Loader....the one made with tubular piping.It was mainly a manure loader.

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PaulW_NJ

11-25-2005 04:35:21




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to PAULIH300, 11-24-2005 16:22:43  
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Here"s what he"s referring to



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PaulW_NJ

11-25-2005 04:51:06




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to PaulW_NJ, 11-25-2005 04:35:21  
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Here"s another with apparently an aftermarket loader. Go to the Tractor Photos area of this site and search under "300 Utility". There are quite a few other examples of a 300U with various types of loaders, so it"s structurally feasible. However as everyone else has stated, you may have to spend as much or more converting to power steering as you will for the loader.

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IH300U Guy

11-25-2005 07:58:41




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to PaulW_NJ, 11-25-2005 04:51:06  
Awesome! Thanks Paul! This site is a pretty amazing resource. I have been up all night reading and reading about IH.

Thanks buddy!



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PaulW_NJ

11-25-2005 21:07:08




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 Re: IH 300 Utility - Power Steering and front load in reply to IH300U Guy, 11-25-2005 07:58:41  
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Just stumbled upon this ad and thought of you - you may want to check it out: this guy is selling a loader for a 300U. The ad was in the photo ads listed on this site. It looks like a trip loader however - you would likely find a hydraulic bucket loader much more useful. But it does show you what the original loader for this tractor looked like.

rhtrailer.com/antique_tractors.htm

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