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Retired 05 in V

11-29-2005 18:22:01

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Installed a new ring gear. The gear was not beleved on either side. Now having problem with starting. Starter drive is not beleved, do they make a beleved started drive for a Delco starter? If so any recommended supplier.

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Retired 05 in VA

12-01-2005 02:29:54

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 18:22:01

Just wanted to say THANKS for all the assistance. Have starter out being bench tested and a new bendix/starter drive being installed.Trying to located the newer style. Have ordered a new fly wheel/ring gear. Now trying to determine the safest way to break her in-half with out having to total tear down as we did previous. Any and all help in breaking her in-half would be appreciated.

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Hugh MacKay

12-01-2005 12:09:08

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 12-01-2005 02:29:54

If you can locate one of the new type starter drive, I would certainly do so. They have no exposed springs. When I made my change I had a new ring gear on my Super A. I had taken both SA and 130 starters to an auto electric rebuilder. After rebuilding I picked them up, didn't pay them much attention until I installed them. The starter with the old bendix would not work on either tractor. The other starter with the new starter drive would work well on both tractors. I called the rebuilder, told him my problem. He advised that he had the old bendix type in stock and the new type he oedered over from the CaseIH dealer in town. I said,"I think we best go to the caseIH dealer for another new type starter drive." The CaseIH partsman (Andy Waugh) advised me the new type was all he had been selling for close to 20 years, and he had them for all pre 1958 IH tractors.

You find those new type drives and you will not need to split that tractor. Back in 92 yes my SA ring gear was new, but the 130 ring gear looked bad, it still looks bad. It has been starting well now for 13 years. The 130 is the one tractor I plow snow with, thus it goes year around. We see a few -F days around here also. Back where I lived 5 years ago -25F was quite commom.

If you can't find a source for the new type starter drive E mail me. If Andy hasn't retired, (he shouldn't have he's younger than I am) I'll try and contact him. At least get a part number out of him.

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Peabody

12-01-2005 08:51:55

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 12-01-2005 02:29:54

Start a new thread above asking about break-apart and you'll get all kinds of advice.

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Peabody

11-30-2005 18:19:57

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 18:22:01

Point of Clarification...It seems to me that what we in the South call a bendix, or bendix gear, is the same thing as some of you from the North call a starter drive or starter gear. In that picture BobM posted, I would call the gear with the teethy things a bendix, as would most of my collegues, but WE would know what YOU were talking about if YOU called it the starter drive gear. YOU may not know what WE were talking about if WE called it a bendix, or bendix gear. Just wanted to clear that up. :-)

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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2005 14:27:05

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 18:22:01

There is a new and improved version of starter drive. From the outside it looks like the clutch drive on a chain saw. I have them on my Super A and 130 and they were sold to me by CaseIH dealer in Truro Nova Scotia 10 years ago. I was having same problem as you and it cured it 100%. They also make the starter engage much softer if you are using 12 volts. The interesting part on all this, I've never seen these anywhere else.

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Bob M

11-30-2005 12:05:36

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A - photo of new drive pin in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 18:22:01

Your starter pinion should look like the new one in the photo. (Note the bevelled relief on each pinion tooth on the end facing the ring gear).

Your new ring gear is correct with no teeth bevelling.

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gene bender

11-30-2005 02:28:14

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 18:22:01

Your bendix must be bad as the new ring gears have worked just fine for me. Have you cleaned the bendix and lubed it and are your cables on the battery good and clean. Has the starter had new brushes and been cleaned up on the brush end slots cleaned and so forth and a good 625cca 6v battery being used with 1ga cables. Have you checked the sw on top of the starter.

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Peabody

11-29-2005 19:23:09

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 18:22:01

What kind of starting problem are you having?

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Retired 05 in VA

11-29-2005 19:38:22

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Peabody, 11-29-2005 19:23:09

Starter is not engaging properly each time, binding and has started to wear teeth on ring gear

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Peabody

11-30-2005 11:49:57

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 19:38:22

Sounds like worn out bendix to me.

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Stan(VA).

11-30-2005 05:02:58

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Retired 05 in VA, 11-29-2005 19:38:22

In my experience (YMMV), if the ring gear on the flywheel is showing serious wear then the new starter (or just starter drive gear) is not going to fix the problem. That requires splitting the tractor and replacing or flipping over the ring gear. To test the theory, (with the ignition off) manually turn the engine about 1/4 revolution so the starter will see a different spot on the ring gear and see if it binds when you try to start it then (it usually doesn't when you get past the bad spot). The idea is that your whole ring gear isn't bad, just the spots that the engine normally stops at (which for our inline 4's should be two spots 180degrees apart).
Hope that helps,
Stan(VA).

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Stan(VA).

11-30-2005 05:07:30

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Re: Starter Drive/Super A in reply to Stan(VA)., 11-30-2005 05:02:58

Whoops! scratch that. Sorry, I somehow missed your first statement about already replacing the ring gear. Open mouth, insert foot ... ;)
Stan(VA).

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