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Dip stick- What side to read?

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Jason(Pa.)

12-27-2005 18:22:55




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My buddy got a 130 Farmall. Its dip stick is two sided and the one side says"Read when engine is runnig"-Only on Power Unit.. First off don't know how you could read the oil level of any engine when it is running that Im aware of. The other side is for the engine when it is not running. The safty range of opperation is in two differnt locations of either side. To me if you would go by the side that doesn't say "when it is running" you have WAY too much oil in it! Any Ideas? We got the right amount of oil in it,but are just confused why the dip stick is differnt on both sides? It appears to me it is orginial. Thanks!

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ejr-IA.

12-28-2005 10:20:11




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Jason(Pa.), 12-27-2005 18:22:55  
I put a 350 lp stationary engine in my H and it has the double sided stick.We used a H to run one of our irragation wells back in the mid 50's used the bottom petcock to see if it needed oil or not instead of shuting it down.



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captaink

12-28-2005 08:38:23




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Jason(Pa.), 12-27-2005 18:22:55  
It’s straightforward, just read the side that applies.

When the engine is stopped for a length of time all the oil has run down into the pan, so this mark on the stick is the higher one. The engine running one is again straightforward; the dipstick is probably shrouded into the pan so that splashing oil won’t give a false reading. Anyway, the oil is in circulation, some on the top of the head, some on the cylinder walls, etc and not in the pan, so this reading will be lower than when the engine is stopped. It’s basically a convenience feature.

I run a CAT 140-G grader made in the mid-1980’s. It has the double sided stick and when you are running back to back shifts like when plowing snow, it allows for the oil to be checked without having to shut down for a long period of time to check the oil.

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Hugh MacKay

12-28-2005 13:25:05




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to captaink, 12-28-2005 08:38:23  
captain: You are quite right, shutt any engine down, check the oil within 2 min. and the reading will be different in two hours.



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CNKS

12-28-2005 08:31:14




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Jason(Pa.), 12-27-2005 18:22:55  
Some people that use power units on irrigation engines and may run them 24 hours a day for several days without shutting them off. I suppose that's why the dipstick is marked for the engine running -- I have never seen one. You can't just stop an irrigation engine, check the oil, dump in a quart, and restart. Many pumps (pump, not the engine), run in reverse for a while while the water drains out of the pump into the well. (There is likely an enviornmental control on that now)-- maybe that's the reason, I don't know. The dipstick probably shows that you have enough oil, but does not measure it accurately.

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PUTTER

12-28-2005 06:26:48




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Jason(Pa.), 12-27-2005 18:22:55  
Jason, You should read the engine stopped side. The other side was for that engine used in a generator set. They sometimes couldn't be shutdown for long periods of time which was the reason for the ability to check when running. Some Caterpillars had this same feature, they could have their oil changed without being shut down also. PUTTER



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Hugh MacKay

12-28-2005 01:36:42




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Jason(Pa.), 12-27-2005 18:22:55  
Jason: You are right it is original equipment, at least every 130 and 230 I've ever seen had that feature on the dipstick. Like you I always wondered how one would accurately check the oil with engine running. I have basically ignored that side of stick and went along with engine stopped reading.



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Andy Martin

12-28-2005 05:06:39




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-28-2005 01:36:42  
Caterpillar tractors had dipsticks to check while the engine was running for many years. I have a war-time CAT-12 motor grader that way, and a D4-D. If you use lots of oil, and have to add at noon, it is real handy.

I didn't know IH did that on farm tractors (never had anything newer than a 450D), but if you think about it, the oil level with the engine running is more important than with it stopped. As long as there is sufficient oil in the pan to avoid the sump picking up air (entrained or otherwise) and to get rid of the heat then the engine probably has enough oil. I'm not an engine designer but I'd bet that the running level is what they design for.

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Hugh MacKay

12-28-2005 08:55:43




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Andy Martin, 12-28-2005 05:06:39  
Andy: I did check my 130 dipstick this am and it does have stamped on the engine running side, "for sataionary use engines" The full mark for engine running is about 1/2" lower on stick than full mark for engine stopped.

It is interesting to note 130 and 230 have this feature. Your 450D is the same vintage and from the same series. Would have been a lot quicker to shutt 130 or 230 down for a noon time oil check than a 450D. 130 is the only tractor I've ever owned from the 30-50 series. My brother has a 230. I'll bet I know the secret behind this. There were countless C-123 engines used on amusument rides like ferris wheels, merry go rounds, etc., etc. Those guys never shut them down from morning until late at night.

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Andy Martin

12-28-2005 10:28:31




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 Re: Dip stick- What side to read? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-28-2005 08:55:43  
And irrigation pump engines (in the old days).

We had an old engine which I was told the lower petcock was for checking when the engine was running but the baffle inside must have been broken. I believed that for years.

Twenty years ago I ruined a good shirt pulling the dipstick on a running Cub. I would have sworn the Cub engine on our old baler could be checked with it running, but this one couldn't, and everybody around got a good laugh at my "stupidity".

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