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MACE

01-01-2006 16:45:23

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Recently I have noticed the two letters ( CE ) on packages that I have bought and used for my business interests. I have read on this forum that people like to stay away from chinese made items. Can"t say I blame them. What do these two letters mean and or stand for? They can be seen on a lot of electronic items from overseas. And have been found on everything I can think of including tractor implements.

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MACE

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MACE

01-02-2006 03:43:54

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

The CE marking. CE stands for Consultants Europe. Kind of like UL listed. This allows import into Europe from other countries under the European Union directives.

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MACE

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TEEDO

01-02-2006 02:49:41

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

You guys really need to make the distiction between Communist China and Taiwan. Taiwan has industrial goods that rival the quality of Japan and the US, and Just like "Made in Japan" was the equivelant of "Junk" in the 1950's China's products are to us today but watch out! In this computer age they will catch up so fast you will be amazed. We need to wake up and realize that the US does not hold the patent on quality or in 20 years about the only job's we'll have is serving burgers to each other at McDonalds. Most of our cherished manufacturers, CASE, John Deere, GM, Ford have more foreign components than US made and we still call them made in America.

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Ducknose Bob

01-02-2006 05:52:29

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to TEEDO, 01-02-2006 02:49:41

You are correct, Taiwan is a democracy, and deserves, and is earning, a better reputation for the quality of its products, wheras the PRC is communist, has threatened several times to nuke the US, if we should interfere with the PRC's attempts to force Taiwan to "re-join" with the motherland, and the PRC uses slave labour to produce much of its exports.

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Strande World

01-02-2006 06:11:49

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to Ducknose Bob, 01-02-2006 05:52:29

You are right about that. I find it strange that people that get all upset (rightfully) when you mention pre civil war slavery in this country have no qualms about buying products made by Chinese slave labor if it saves them a few dollars.

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KEB

01-01-2006 17:27:29

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

The CE mark is basically the European equivalent of the U.S. Underwriters Lab (UL) mark, plus the item has to meet some additional requirements that UL does not address. Has nothing to do with where the item is made.

Keith

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CNKS

01-01-2006 17:27:25

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

I think people get too excited about Chinese parts. Items such as steering wheels, seats, etc look and perform the same as OEM. Not sure I would want engine parts from there, though.

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leon

01-02-2006 04:15:02

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to CNKS, 01-01-2006 17:27:25

My guess is that you'd probably have a great deal of trouble today buying any new tractor, car, pick-up or truck whose engine had absolutely no Chinese made parts.

If their quality matches ours and their cost is half ours, why not? Is it bad if the economic playing field is level without tariffs and having the Chinese and Indians push us to find what we can do better than they - like telling them what to make for us and how to make it, then US selling it and pocketing the profit? I likebuying lower priced but good quality whole goods.

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VernMN

01-01-2006 17:16:59

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

Yes the CE means made to comply with European Union Standards. Just about everything we pick up is made in China from a pair of shoes to electronic. Face it it will not go away and not limited to the cheaper outlets. China labor is cheap and the economics of the business world will go there to make the products for the profit reports for the shareholders. Comanies now days do not really care about the good reputation of their products as much as the $$ saved. In the long run, cheap is not cheap. I have worked on projects in China the last 5 years and though the facilities have been modernized, the mindset has not.

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Bob

01-01-2006 16:53:02

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

Apparently, it means the products meet European Union standards, and can be sold there?????

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Michael Soldan

01-01-2006 16:52:02

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to MACE, 01-01-2006 16:45:23

Mace, I worked in an auto shop for a while and all of our brake rotors were made in China and they were all from Carquest or Napa. I'm not saying that they won't work just that they are not made in Canada or the USA. I would have more fear of assembled product and electric component, I think we will see a lot more Chinese stuff in our stores especially Walmart.....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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PAULIH300

01-01-2006 17:33:43

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-01-2006 16:52:02

Those Chinese made brake rotors are the economy models.....made or imported by Raybestos (Brake Parts Inc.)business partners.Buy the premium "PG grade" Raybestos rotors,and you will find most made in USA or Canada.Quickie brake shops looking to out quote the competition or charge full dollar (premium prices) for an economy brake job (max profit) will always specify the el cheapo lines.NAPA started the rush to cheap shuff back in the early 80s with "Series 2" filters,which later begat "Silverline",a complete line of economy stuff.NAPA had to change the name again due to the bad rep Silverline got(the common line was "Dont give me any of that cheap Silverline stuff.."),now its NAPA Silver,Mileage Plus,Tru Grip,Tru Stop,etc.So,you can specify premium (North American)parts,or cheaper,econo stuff (Mexican,Asian) most of the time.....its a matter of personal choice,or wallet contents.

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Dick Davis

01-02-2006 03:38:15

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to PAULIH300, 01-01-2006 17:33:43

Do you suppose WE encourage the production of manufactured products at the lowest possible price (currently China) by our constnat harping on how expensive everything we buy has become? My nickel Dick Davis

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PAULIH300

01-02-2006 10:00:56

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Re: Two letters that could spell trouble in reply to Dick Davis, 01-02-2006 03:38:15

I agree.On the surface,we all want to be patriotic,that is until its time to open the wallet and then the 3rd world country's (and Communist country's) products come to the forefront.Chinese brake rotors can be up to $100 EACH cheaper!! So instead of paying (List) $140 each for USA made professional grade brake rotors,the $40 (List) Chinese jobs start looking real good.Never mind they warp quicker,wear away at scary rates,and do not meet OEM design standards.....all the customer cares about is "How much is it going to cost me??"

The biggest laugh I get is when people are shopping for car batteries...
"Whats the price of your best,cheapest battery???"
They havent a clue...

These are the same people that display American flags on the back of their pickups (along with Harley Davidson decals and those yellow ribbons).

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