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Allan In NE

04-27-2006 03:13:43




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Hi Guys,

Where the heck do you get the change over kits for a tractor's ignition system?

Do the coil and wires need replacing too or just the switching part in the distributor?

Thanks,

Allan




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T.B.W.

04-27-2006 16:17:01




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
Allen, I put electronic ignition in my M to try to correct a miss. Didn"t help and it just got worse. Put in a new distributor and it runs like a top. Got the new one for $200 from Steel wheel ranch. The worn out distributor has been my problem all along. It sure does purr now.



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Lee

04-27-2006 15:32:07




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
You need to get the dizzy fixed and then you
can just run points. Or go witht the pertronix and you'll probably never open it up again.



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John T

04-27-2006 07:20:44




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
Allan, No, you could get by with an existing stock coil (if voltages and any ballast etc is correct) and gain at least some spark gap energy (faster more positive switching) using an electronic switch versus the old mechanical points, but to get the most bang for the buck that elec switch has to offer and realize more spark gap energy for better ignition, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you couple the new elec switch with a high energy high voltage coil the vendor offers to match the new switch. Using a high energy high voltage coil and an electronic switch, one often runs a tad wider spark plug gap also.

Next, be sure to match the new coil with the switches current capacity as I believe some switch vendors offer different switch ratings dependant upon what coil is used.

As far as wiring, all thats usually involved is two wires out of the unit mounted in the distributor base to replace the points that run one to each side of the coil, piece of cake to wire. A magnet fits down over the distributors cam shaft lobes which triggers the switch. The existing switch and wiring to the coils input (regardless if new or old coil) ought to suffice provided its all in good condition. NOTE If a high voltage coil is used and youre running a wider plug gap, good plug wires and a good distributor cap etc must be used..... .... Check with the vendor as far as plug wire recommendations cuz some of those high performance systems actually use carbon core plug wires which I would not use otherwise.

NOTE is this 12 volt system????? If so although its still possible to use a 6 volt coil and an external ballast resistor, I highly recommend use of a 12 volt coil and do away with the ballast.

CAUTION these units are polarity and voltage sensitive, BE SURE and buy a unit to match your ground,,,,, your voltage,,,,, ,,and a coil suitable for the switches current rating.

Hope this helps, let us know

John T

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Allan In NE

04-27-2006 07:38:41




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to John T, 04-27-2006 07:20:44  
Hi John,

I used the old stinker yesterday for about 2 hours to move some hay from a mile out across the place. Paid real close attention to how it was acting.

Runs like a million bucks after it warms up good. However, at WOT, and only at wide open throttle, it will drop a cylinder. If I bring the throttle "just off" of wide open, it straightens right back out. It is not a fuel starve, but a flutter-miss.

Under real hard acceleration, it doesn't miss a beat and pulls real hard until that top rpm is reached.

I'm just wondering if the sloppy distributor shaft is causing all the difficulity via point setting variation?

Dunno, probably should have left this one set and bought another diesel. But, I do like that "instant" start with no choke. :>)

Allan

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El Toro

04-27-2006 15:12:24




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 07:38:41  
At one time we had a machine for checking out distributors. It would tell you if the advance was working and if the dwell was set correctly or if it fluctated from a worn shaft or bearing. They had a machine in the electric shop for mags.
When they changed over to diesels I guess that machine went to the salvage yard. That's where they sent the mobile field dynamometer too. They should've sent it to the museum at APG with the rest of that junk. It would hold a vehicle with 100,000 pounds of drawbar pull. Hal

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John T

04-27-2006 08:34:53




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 07:38:41  
Allan, I havent owned Farmalls in years but am decent on ignition and electrical systems regardless of tractor colors. What you say also makes me wonder about distributor shaft wobble and/or any centrifugal advance weights n springs etc problem if your distributor is so equipped, since it seems RPM related. Maybe try the points a tad wider in case shaft wobble may be the cause??? If the distributor is the problem I woudnt mess with any elec ingition unitl I got that cured.

Let us know, fun discussion, take care

John T

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genep

04-27-2006 06:46:56




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
Allan, If you use a Pertronix unit the coil must meet their specs. I believe it must have at least 1.5 ohms between the + and - terminals. I understand the pertronix coil is about 3.5 ohms. Too few ohms will burn up the switching unit. I believe it's worth the extra `$32 to use amatched Pertronix coil. The tech people at Pertronix are very helpful. I'm not sure if there are electronic units available from other manufacturers.

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Allan In NE

04-27-2006 07:00:53




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to genep, 04-27-2006 06:46:56  
I'm wondering about the voltage drop across the ignition resistor. That would sure cook one too, wouldn't it?

Yesterday, I took this distributor completely apart, cleaned and checked it out. I can get the points to "vary" by roughly .010".

What is the air gap on those solid state guys? 'Spose the electronic ignition will "cover up" the slop in this shat?

Or, should I just buy a distributor and be done with it?

Allan

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genep

04-27-2006 10:10:33




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 07:00:53  
The purpose of the correct resistance of the coil is to eliminate the need for a ballast resistor.

they send a plastic strip to use as a feeler guage to set the gap on the trigger. It seems to be about .030-.040". I don't think they are real sensitive in the gap. Of course if there are other problems in the distributor I don't know if they will correct it.

I'd suggest that you Google for Pertronix and call their tech line. I've found them very helpful. You probably should have your distributor manufacturer and model number handy when you call.

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Janicholson

04-27-2006 06:01:16




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
NAPA has kits (in the book, if not in stock)
A word of caution, the distributor needs to be tight in the shaft (no wobble detectable), and the sdvance mechanism and pivot on the cam to drive shaft needs to be free and lubed, for the electronic components to work correctly. (been there)
JimN



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Allan In NE

04-27-2006 07:15:54




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Janicholson, 04-27-2006 06:01:16  
The advance is okay, but there is some wobble in the shaft. 'Bout .010" at the points.

I was hoping that the electronic air gap would cover that up and let me avoid buying a distributor. They're just a hall effects switch, aren't they?

Allan



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Janicholson

04-27-2006 09:54:05




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 07:15:54  
Some are Hall effect, some are magnetic reluctor based triggers. Either way the gap variation of .010" can change the timing by either to a significant amount.
If it were mine, I would tear it down and drive out the old bushing and install a longer one that extends farther forward on the shaft (into the cast housing with the 1/8th pipe plug in the side)
Bushings and turning it to size should be less than 30$.
Good luck, JimN

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IaGary

04-27-2006 04:43:55




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
Mornin Allan

Just the inerds in the dist. need to be changed.

Did my 560 this winter.

I think you can order them from Kim on this site here.

Good Luck Allan.



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El Toro

04-27-2006 03:53:44




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 03:13:43  
Hi Allan, It's cold here in MD this morning ice on cars. Here's a web site for Pertronix ignition kits. Hal
PS: Some of the men that post here have used these kits.


http://www.farmersservice.com/distributors.htm



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Allan In NE

04-27-2006 04:06:05




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to El Toro, 04-27-2006 03:53:44  
Mornin' Hal,

Snow finally left here yesterday. Nothin' but muddy slop now.

'Course with a "normal" Nebraska wind, we'll probably be bellerin' for moisture by this afternoon. :>)

Allan



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El Toro

04-27-2006 04:21:53




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Allan In NE, 04-27-2006 04:06:05  
They say that wind in MN is always blowing. It will surely dry the ground quickly. I have tomato plants big enough to set out, but I'll wait
a few more days. Spuds are peeking through the ground. Hal



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Peabody

04-27-2006 06:02:50




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to El Toro, 04-27-2006 04:21:53  
Set out my tomatoes two weeks ago in Central Alabama. They're blooming now. We are having a cold snap here - highs in the mid-70's today and supposed to get down to 48 tonight!



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El Toro

04-27-2006 06:31:46




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 Re: Solid State Ignition in reply to Peabody, 04-27-2006 06:02:50  
There's a retired cop in SC that has sweet corn up and says the local farmers have field corn a foot high. He's going to plant water melons and lopes. His temp has been in the 90's. That Canadian air is pushing south. I hung a 100watt
light in my mini greenhouse. Dixieland that post's on here is in AL too and has pecan trees.
I spent 3 or weeks in AL back in 1981 at Huntsville on a test for the Goverment and I took my wife along in 1982 when I went in Feb 1982. It was about 88 or 90 then. My wife called our daughter and she had been out shoveling snow off the driveway so she could get to work. I had to buy some short sleeve shirts. Hal

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