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Formerly PaMike

06-06-2006 09:35:09




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I posted a week or so ago about charging problems on my 6V 350U. John T gave me his troubleshooting diagram and I went through it. It appeared the genny was weak. I had it rebuilt, and it still isnt charging. I went through his steps again and now it acts like the voltage reg is bad. The reg is brand new. When I touch field wire at reg to ground it charges. The resistance between the reg base and ground is only 3 ohms, so the reg is grounded. I ran the tractor with the reg cover over, and the top contact pulls in and sends voltage to amp meter and to the battery. What does the bottom set of contacts in a 6V reg do? It appears that may be where the problem is since when I open and close them by hand nothing happens.
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John T

06-06-2006 15:40:59




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 Re: Still having charging problems in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 09:35:09  
Formerly, if she gens okay with the gens Field post dead grounded, that tells me the gen is likely okay as you suspected.

In 2 coil VR"s, the one coil is the Cutout Relay while the other is EITHER a Current Control Relay only, but more likely a combination Voltage and Current Control Relay. Its job is to control n regulate field current from the low and high charge states. Dead ground is high charge while resistive ground is low charge, but its actually a lil more complicated then that, theres some pulse width modulation and relay chatter going on also.

The base/frame of the VR MUST be well grounded to the genny which, likewise, must be well grounded to the tractor frame. If an ohmmeter were connected between the VR"s FLD terminal and the VR"s case, it would read EITHER like 0 ohms (high charge state) or maybe 2 to 3 ohms (low charge state) depending on where that current control relay is latched in or out which depends on the gennys current output and/or its voltage relative to that of the battery.

Sooooo o all that being said, Im gonna go down the same road Bob M did. The VR"s metal case mounting portion MUST be a good ground which means it MUST be well bonded (zero ohms) to the gennys case and the genny must also be well bonded to the tractors frame. The old run a good direct ground wire from the batterys grounded post to BOTH the genny and VR will tell if its a grounding problem.

Another possibility is theres a bad or loose or resistive connection between the gennys Field post and the VR"s Field terminal, check that out

CHECK THE GENNY N VR FOR GOOD ZERO OHMS CONNECTIONS. The VR"s metal mount must be 0 ohms to the gennys case and the gennys case must be near 0 ohms to the grounded battery post.

If the VR has a bad case ground, the genny can still full charge if its field post is tied to a good frame ground,

NOTE its normal for the VR to work and cause high charge till the battery is charged then cut back so dotn get too nervous if shes not full charging all the time cuz that will overcharge the battery so maybe its working n the genny n VR are doing their job????? See if turnign lights on causes her to go to the higher charge state

Let us know

John T

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Bob M

06-06-2006 13:53:04




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 Re: Still having charging problems in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 09:35:09  
3 ohms between the reg base and ground is not right! It should be 0.0 ohms.

Try running a jumper wire between the reg base and the grounded battery post, then run the engine again. I'll bet you'll find the generator now charges just fine.



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freebird

06-06-2006 12:12:39




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 Re: Still having charging problems in reply to Formerly PaMike, 06-06-2006 09:35:09  
Was re-polarizing the generator one of the steps? Breifly jump across batt and gen terminals on voltage regulator with engine off.



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