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SGT K

06-14-2006 06:39:14




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Check out this goofy front tire and rim. I ruined a tire while working, and found out my spare would not fit because the rim did not have enough off-set to clear the spindle. This was all I could find that would bolt up. I had to did a big hole because the jack wouldn't lift it high enough out in the field.
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Now today I'm pricing new 11X16 front tubeless tires. $165.00 a piece for Firestones, around $120.00 for tube type. WOW! I can get these used 11X22.5 tubeless semi tires like in the photo for nothing. Other than the yellow John Deere paint, maybe this isn't such a goofy tire after all.

I don't think it would set too unlevel. You think those big tires would hurt anything?
Paul

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Farmall450man

06-14-2006 11:24:43




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to SGT K, 06-14-2006 06:39:14  
The truck tires will work. Floatation won't be as good as the 11.00x16. Just don't inflate them anything close to what it says on the tire, the rim won't take that kind of inflation. They should work well at 30 to 40 psi. Are they 20" or 22.5? If they are 22.5 you need to use a tube because it is fairly easy to push the beads off. If they're 20" you probably already have the tube.

I set Dad's gravity wagons up with used truck tires when he was still farming. He didn't pull them in the fields if it was wet. They sure pulled down the road a lot easier than the big 16" floatation tires, were a lot cheaper, and you never worried about a blow-out.

Daryl

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P Backus

06-14-2006 08:09:06




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to SGT K, 06-14-2006 06:39:14  
Truck tires WILL cut in on soft soil and you will get stuck more easily. They are made to be hard for less rolling resistance on roads, but in the fields that translates to no floatation and soil compaction. They actually pull harder in the field than an ag tire.
Been there, done that.
Paul



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SGT K

06-14-2006 13:22:09




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to P Backus, 06-14-2006 08:09:06  
Paul,
My first inclination would be to disagree. I would think that the taller tire would give you more rubber on the ground, making a bigger "footprint", this in turn would lead to less ground pressure and more flotation. I don't have any experience though, and I understand the point about the hard tire and what it was designed for. I was thinking better flotation would be a big plus for putting these bigger tires on, but you have given me something to think about.
Thanks to everyone for the input, it's just what I asked for.
Paul

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P Backus

06-14-2006 17:26:16




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to SGT K, 06-14-2006 13:22:09  
Well, others have disagreed too, but I am certain that a 11.00x16 will have a bigger footprint than a 20 or 22.5 tire. After reading Nat"s comment, I realize that soil structure is different everywhere, and different mud responds differently, but I have worked with lots of different farm equipment with all variety of tires, and a chopper box with 10 tons of corn silage in will pull much easier with floatations than with truck tires in the field. One wet fall, the buggers would keep going down until the running gear was dragging.
One other thing to consider is that you will have to use the brakes a lot more for steering. Front tires have ribs for a reason. Once again, a chopper box or manure spreader with truck tires will be the first to slide sideways on a greasy slope.
Paul

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SGT K

06-15-2006 05:31:13




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to P Backus, 06-14-2006 17:26:16  
Those are some good points also. I believe a 22.5 at about 5o or 60 pounds of air pressure would have a bigger print, especially a radial, which most of these trailer tires I get for my wagons are, than a 11x16. We could find out with a piece of carbon paper, but I'm must confess I'm too darn lazy to do the test. Besides, if you have gone this route, you all ready know what works for you and I respect that. I think I'll cough up the money for the 11x16 four ribs, and I'll freely admit part of the reason is plain vanity. Now that I have my old rusty 14 painted I think it would probably look better with four-ribs than semi tires. (I still think it would work though ;)
Thanks for the debate.
Paul

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P Backus

06-15-2006 06:49:30




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to SGT K, 06-15-2006 05:31:13  
Yeah, I agree about the looks. I"ve never liked the way car or truck tires look on a tractor. Just doesn"t look "right". The semi tires look okay on a wagon though. I still don"t believe the footprint would be bigger though, unless someone can prove it to me. The total diameter of the tire isn"t that much greater than the 16" because the 16" has a taller sidewall. I suppose that they would work, as you suggested, and from what others had said in their posts.
Your 14 does look terrific. I wish I had it here. I got a discbine this year and need more "woof" up front than I currently have. So I have to go just as slow as I did before, but it just uses more fuel to cut the same amount of hay!
Good luck.
Paul

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Nat 2

06-14-2006 12:31:48




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to P Backus, 06-14-2006 08:09:06  
Hmm, Dad's always been of the opinion that the 20" truck tires pull better in soft going because they cut through the mud rather than push it up in piles...

A rural Canadian ambulance driver I once knew shared a similar opinion: He preferred the "mods" (modified vans) to the dually ambulances because the single rear wheels on the vans cut through the mud and snow much better than the duallys.



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Mitchissippi

06-14-2006 12:48:55




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to Nat 2, 06-14-2006 12:31:48  
That's true here - providing you know you have a hard pan you can reach without bottoming out. Otherwise, floating on the mud would work better if you can get all the traction you need.



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Dr.EVIL

06-14-2006 07:45:22




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to SGT K, 06-14-2006 06:39:14  
I'm going to agree with BOB. If You have wheels and can get used truck tires for cheap or free I'd go that route. If You go with the 11.00 X 16's by ALL MEANS GO TUBE TYPE!!! When I bought tires for FARMALL back in the late 70's & early 80's that was the biggest complaint We got on tires was the fact We used tubeless fronts... They mounted easy since there were no tubes to pinch but once they got a little low on pressure or got enough weight on the front of the tractor and You turned sharp You rolled the beads off the wheels.

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Bob M

06-14-2006 06:58:51




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 Re: Goofy front tire in reply to SGT K, 06-14-2006 06:39:14  
Hey Paul - Those oversize tires will work fine!

We've successfully used "worn out" truck and bus tires - provided by the local highway dept and the public school bus garage - on implements and 2WD tractor fronts for many years.

The tractors may sit a bit nose high on the oversized tires. But it does not affect operation, and you cannot beat the price!!



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