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H overhaul or not...advice

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Tom Windsor

06-26-2006 18:50:31




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I am really having a struggle here. I have a good block sitting on my work bench. 4 servicable pistons and rods, 2 servicable sleves, and I am having turmoil inside.

Do I:

1. Locate two servicable sleeves, get me a set of rings and a gasket set and rebuild this engine so it does not smoke but has some wear or

2. Do I go whole hog and get the rebuild kit with new sleeves, pistons, pins, bearings etc.


For alternative #1, it will not be a working tractor, it will be run 2 or 3 times per year, it will be put over in the corner for my wife to sell at the estate sale while I go to the next project. I can accomplish this at minimum costs.
I can make it look good but it will be half a..


Regarding alternative #2, with crank grind, machine work, complete kit, I will probably have $800.00 in the motor(I think) and I will have the internal knowledge that it is "new" and then pull it over in the corner for the estate sale! I can make it look good and be good.

For #1, I could contribute the $600.00 or so saved to the orphanage. or #2, wife could contribute it all to the orphanage later.

I am in a rut here...give me something to think about.

Tw

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Carp

06-27-2006 09:08:11




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
I normally pass over these conversations because my view is not usually the most poular view.

If it were me, I would buy 2 used servicable sleeves, rings and rod bearings and put it back together. Now by serviceable, I assume that you have measured them and they are at least within a few thousands of min and max measurments.

I have put several Hs and Ms and the like together without going full tilt on the rebuild and have had no issues. These are all tractors that get worked every year on my farm. Any IH tractor prior to 1958 I have found to be very forgiving as far as the tolerances that it can handle and still run perfectly well.

You will also find that a good set of IH forged pistons is probably better than the new pistons that you get today. Also, it doesn't really matter if you put $200 or $800 or $1200 into the engine of that H, at the end of the day it will still be worth about $1,500. So save the extra money from the overkill rebuild and buy another tractor for the ophange when you finish this one.

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Allan In NE

06-27-2006 05:51:10




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
Tom,

I'm with Hal on this one.

If you're gonna do it, do it right. Don't re-use the toilet paper because it starts to get real messy, real quick.

Just my opinion,

Allan



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El Toro

06-27-2006 05:36:21




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
You either pay now or pay later. Going to all that work and then having to pull that engine apart again isn't worth the hassel.

It's like us that are non lawyer's, get a good one to start with and you won't need to hire one later. Hal



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Bill in NC

06-27-2006 03:48:29




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
"for my wife to sell at the estate sale while I go to the next project."

I re-read this several times and think you meant this as a beautiful, but realistic statement about how we men most times check out of our earthly abode before our womenfolk, leaving them with the task of selling our prized possessions.



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K.B.-826

06-26-2006 19:59:16




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
I mostly work on 100 hp+ diesels. When I've got one of those apart, I don't cut any corners. I figure it's better to spend the money on parts now than it is to pay for the labor all over again later. However, on somthing like an H, it's only running 1800 RPM's at the most and putting out 30 hp. Very low internal pressure. If the pistons and sleeves are decent, why not reuse them? Soak those pistons in carb cleaner overnight, scrape the carbon out of the ring grooves, slap on a new set of rings, find two more decent sleeves and give them a good honing, have the valves ground, all new bearings including cam bearings, make sure your oil pump is in good shape, good carb and ignition system, and you'll be amazed at what you'll have for the money.

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Andy Martin

06-26-2006 19:48:46




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
They are low speed engines and are very forgiving. Rebuild it with worn parts but measure carefully and you will have a good running tractor for many years.



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River Bottom Farmer

06-26-2006 19:12:02




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to Tom Windsor, 06-26-2006 18:50:31  
Hello Tom, Why wouldnt you work the tractor after you rebuild it,believe me when I tell you that running antiques is much more fulfilling than looking at them,and as far as the rebuild is concerned put together right,if the sleeves are good and you only need a couple do it that way.As long as you put it together right even with used sleeves it should hold up fine...,,Just my opinion....RBF...P.S. use it dont sell it...also just my opinion.

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Janicholson

06-26-2006 21:30:46




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 Re: H overhaul or not...advice in reply to River Bottom Farmer, 06-26-2006 19:12:02  
Go with the used components. It appears you will be utilizing good parts, and the difference in value between the two assembled tractors will not be 800$. Just my frugal use of materials.JimN



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