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Extra Horsepower 560 Diesel Can of Worms

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robert searcy

08-03-2006 10:03:18




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More Power - Uhhh ohh ohhhh, ( tim the tool man grunts )

Man I am buffaloed, idiot greenhorn here pondering the HP Dilema. Why does a 560 with a 282ci diesel engine, who it appears shares the same engine with a 656,660, some 706 only have 60ish hp and run at 1800 rpm when its cousins are running the same engine at 2400 rpm and getting 80hp out of it. Are they turned down because of hte drive train not being able to take the extra HP?? My dad has a 1963 560D and I am going to be purchasing one from my FIL. We are both wanting to get a little more power from them mainly for cutting pasture with a larger mower. They seem to pull down quite a bit in this heavy humid pasture. How easy is it to have them turned up to put out the 2400 rpm and 80hp, will a pump from a 660 or 706 just bolt on??

thanks,

Robert

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Hugh MacKay

08-05-2006 03:43:08




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 Re: Extra Horsepower 560 Diesel Can of Worms in reply to robert searcy, 08-03-2006 10:03:18  
Robert: Using tractor engines with constant cubic inch displacment for various hp is very common. Farm equipment companies have been doing this for years. Having a few years experience, I can tell you the low hp demand per cubic inch has always been the most efficient engine.

I owned both a 560 and 656 diesel in my day. I can tell you those 282 engines that operated at a goverened max. rpm of 2,000 and max. 65 hp, gave many more years of trouble free service than the ones that were cranking out 75+hp at 2,300 rpm. I can also take you back to the C-113 and C-123 engines in Farmalls A, SA, 100, 130 and 140 versus the same engines in C, SC, 200, 230 and 240. Great power source for that first group being the offsets. They didn't have enough for the larger second group.

I dare say if you find the right technician, he can crank 250 hp out of your 560. It's 45+ years old now, thus it will probably blow up within a month at 250 hp. If your going to spend those kind of dollars, you may as well buy a larger tractor and be done with it. Why in hell be mucking around in grease and oil all the time.

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K.B.-826

08-03-2006 16:23:16




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 Re: Extra Horsepower 560 Diesel Can of Worms in reply to robert searcy, 08-03-2006 10:03:18  
Mostly because that"s how much horsepower farmers were demanding at the time. Over 65,000 560"s were sold, while less then 5,000 660"s were ever sold. Horsepower demand exploded over the next five years, by the time the 06 series came out, the 73-hp 706 was the most popular size. Keep in mind that the 660 does use heavier final drives, and that the 706 has a totally different rear end, which is way heavier. 656 rear end is very similar-looking to the 560, but almost all of the bearings are tapered-roller instead of straight-roller, and the PTO is way heavier. Keep in mind that those 282"s were never meant to take 80 hp constantly. They only have four main bearings, and only have 14 head bolts. Most six-cylinder diesels in that size range have seven mains and 26 headbolts.

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Aces

08-03-2006 13:00:01




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 Re: Extra Horsepower 560 Diesel Can of Worms in reply to robert searcy, 08-03-2006 10:03:18  
Robert Back when the 560 was main tractor for many farmers. A 560 in a 1 shape would put out 70 HP with not much adjusting, setting rpm to 2000 would get 73 74 out of them. No rear end problem after the update, put they are 50 tears old or better now.



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Wardner

08-03-2006 11:54:01




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 Re: Extra Horsepower 560 Diesel Can of Worms in reply to robert searcy, 08-03-2006 10:03:18  
Somebody will come along and tell you how reset the injection pump governor and fuel screw. I am sure those directions are already in the archives if you are in a hurry.

You should bear in mind that the extra 600 rpm of the 660 is compensated through the planetary hubs. That means the extra 20 hp flows through what is essentially the same gear train, up to the axles, as the 560. There may be a ratio somewhere that is slightly changed. The IPTO is one and the differential may be another. I would be more concerned with the radiator. The 660 radiator is three inches taller.

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Robert Searcy

08-03-2006 19:26:08




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 Re: Extra Horsepower 560 Diesel Can of Worms in reply to Wardner, 08-03-2006 11:54:01  
Hey guys thanks,

I will save that for the winter project, I will follow up with a request for the adjustments when i get closer to it. good info to know though.



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