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Gauger

09-01-2006 10:30:02




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I pulled the old sleeves on my SH last night. I had made a real serious puller expecting them to come out with effort. I have done a number of wet sleeve removals but this was my first with dry sleeves. I was pleasantly surprised that the sleeves came out with very little work. As a matter of fact, I didn't even have to use the large threaded spindle. I put the bushing in and a light tapping brought them out. The new sleeves fit the bores like a glove. I'm happy. Is this the norm or do they usually come out a litlle tougher?

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Roger46

09-01-2006 19:36:45




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Gauger, 09-01-2006 10:30:02  
I would like to know how many people out there have ever actually had the sleeves break and end up in the crankcase and also on what tractors. Almost all the dry sleeves I have installed I have had to put them in the freezer first and then quickly slip them in before they warm up and expand. However, I have had some that are not that tight. It seems to me that when the engine starts, the heat of combustion is transfered to the sleeve and it will expand to be a very tight fit in the inner bore. Maybe on startup the sleeve could move, but I thought the Super H sleeve anyway is held down with the head gasket. Roger

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JayWalt

09-01-2006 18:34:09




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Gauger, 09-01-2006 10:30:02  
I thought the top of the sleeves had a flange that sits on the top of the block and that the head gasket seals to? If there is no flange, wouldnt they get pulled down from just running the engine? It would also be hard for the sleves to be lined up for the headgasket to seal all 4 cylinders? What about when u tighten the headbolts, wouldnt that push the sleeves down too?
I know nothingab out sleeves (except nitro model engine sleeves). I just figured that they are setup like that, it would make sense. I'm porbably wrong tho, as I'm still learning.

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El Toro

09-01-2006 11:43:03




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Gauger, 09-01-2006 10:30:02  
I agree with Jim on the sleeves. They should a pressed fit so they're tight in the block bore.
If they were to be pulled down from the piston movement, your rods may make contact with bottom of sleeve and do serious engine damage. Hal



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Janicholson

09-01-2006 10:44:06




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Gauger, 09-01-2006 10:30:02  
They should be tight enough that freezing the sleeves and using the install tool is required. In my opinion, If they are easily inserted by hand with just a tap or two while at the same temperature, they are too loose. Seperated sleeves can often be found in the crankcase from cracking, overheating can occur from poor heat transfer, and expensive engine repairs will result. These are pressed in sleeves. You may need to use sleeves sized for "C" "D" original bores (usually stamped on the block next to the sleeve ring.) Good luck, they are not a hand push fit at all. Jim Nicholson

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Gauger

09-01-2006 13:39:46




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Janicholson, 09-01-2006 10:44:06  
Jim, the instructions that came with the new sleeves state that they should be lightly oiled and pushed three quarters of the way in by hand and then tapped in the rest of the way with a hammer and block of wood.



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MAGMAN

09-01-2006 15:24:35




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Gauger, 09-01-2006 13:39:46  
Yes that's exactly the way they are supposed to go and your directions are correct. I had two when I did mine that would go in and out by hand I figured I cleaned the bore to well with the hone before I installed them. If that were the case I would clean the bore extremely well and let it rust up a little before installing. I took lock tite sleeve stuff and had to clean the bore and put it around the sleeve and in the bore and it says once it gets heated up they will lock in. I have been running an H that I took the head gasket off from about 4 years ago and noticed when I turned the motor over one of the sleeves would come up with the piston and I reinstalled the head like 4 years ago and have run the dog out of her with no problems. I have been told by ChadS that they will seat and lock in better when they get warm JON

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Janicholson

09-01-2006 13:50:49




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 Re: Sleeve removal in reply to Gauger, 09-01-2006 13:39:46  
If that is the way they went in, then I would trust the company. If it really went in easier and only a few taps, I wouuld suspect difficulty later, call the supplier and seriously discuss the issue (a boss if possible), and have them write a note about it for future reference! Good luck, JimN



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