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How to check condition of the rear end.

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JayWalt

09-07-2006 06:18:09




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Hi guys, What the best way to check the condition of the gears in my rear end? I really dont want to remove the top of the rearend, as i would need to remove the hydraulic rsevoir, which would involve removing the hydraulic hard lines to the pump. and somehow getting 2 of the bolts removed that are stuck (ugh!!) The less I have to mess with potential leak probems, the better.
Now my 300u has no pto, so I was wondering if i could remove the cover plate and look in there. How High does the oil actually fill? does it go higher then this cover? would i need to buy a new gasket for the pto cover? There is no visible leaks when i took the homemade toolbox off the top 2 cover bolts.
Any tips would be appreciated.
I keep hearing of hytran fluids, does anyone sell compliant fluids besides the case dealer? TSC has nothing and neither does the hardware store. Thanks guys.

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Hugh MacKay

09-07-2006 17:53:30




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 06:18:09  
Jay: If you truly want to check the condition of your tractor's inner working components, anchor the front end to another vehicle or a tree. One wheel at a time jack the rear axle housing. As you jack and weight comes off the wheel pay special attention to axle in relation to axle housing, this will tell you axle bearing condition. With rear wheel off the ground start the tractor in low gear. Using a 4 to 5 foot broom or shovel handle, put one end to your ear and other end on various parts of drive line. Go all over the tractor in every gear, then do the other side. Make sure the tractor is anchored well and blocked well. You will be amazed at what you hear and how you are able to zero right in on any problems. You will pinpoint them within 3" if there are any. Mind you it will all sound quite loud.

If you really want to get sophisticated buy yourself a stethescope. The industry is using these every day to find bearing problems on big trucks. I expect ag. and const. equipment service folks are using it as well.

Before you ever pick up the wrench, know exactly what your going after.

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colekicker

09-07-2006 08:30:24




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 06:18:09  
Ok, so here is the true story about hytran. There are no other oils that meet the same specs as hytran, period. Case IH engineering has picked the additive package to go into the oil. It blows everything away. Same with the engine oil. I wouldn't run anything other than factory oil, especially in new equipment. Powershift clutch plates just disintegrate in the cheap TSC, Farm & Fleet, Atwoods, Wal-Mart oils.

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JayWalt

09-07-2006 08:28:00




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 06:18:09  
I just want to be sure the gears are in decent shape before i start really using the tractor. If one bearing is the difference between a 2month from now damaged rearend, and 20 more years of service, I want to fix it first.
Walmart here only carries hydraulic jack oil in 8 oz bottles. TSC only sells "universal" hydraulic fluid here which does not say it is hytran spec compliant.



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Andy Martin

09-07-2006 09:29:15




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 08:28:00  
Even with the top off, you would not be able to see bearing damage, just major bearing failure.

If it does not make excessive noise just let 'er rip.

If it starts making noise then it is time to start being concerned. I've bought lots of old Farmalls and put them right into heavy service and never had any trouble other than rust shaking out of the gas tanks.



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JayWalt

09-07-2006 08:31:01




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 08:28:00  
I will check th drain plug. The previous owner said the fluid was changed about a year ago, so any new fragments will be a reason for concern. Otherwise, I will leave it alone.



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Andy Martin

09-07-2006 09:32:15




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 08:31:01  
If you do pull the PTO cover off, expect to find some pieces in the bottom of the tub.

If they are buried in the sludge don't worry about them, usually just pieces from an old repair.

Also don't be concerned by a little clear water coming out the drain plug first. That is pretty normal.

If all the oil is brown it needs to be changed.



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Andy Martin

09-07-2006 07:43:13




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 06:18:09  
May I ask why you are needing to check the gear condition?



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Wardner

09-07-2006 07:07:29




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to JayWalt, 09-07-2006 06:18:09  
I don't think that you have thought this out well. If you want to know if one gear or all your gears are are damaged, you need to start looking at the bottom of the rear frame (tub). First step: drain the oil and look for fragments. There will always be some trash down there. Experience will tell you how much is too much. Size of the individual frags will also reveal info.

The PTO cover removal will only give you visual access to the axle part of the transaxle. Take off of the belt pulley or the plate that takes its place to view transmission.

If you don't want to make or buy gaskets, use the stuff that comes in a tube.

If you can't find tractor fluid at TSC, somebody in charge of inventory is not on the ball. Either that or their re-order program is messed up. A good autoparts store, even in NYC, will have it as well. I have even seen it in discount or consumer type autopart outlets. In some parts of the country I'll bet you can get it at Walmart.

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Nebraska Cowman

09-07-2006 07:15:14




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 Re: How to check condition of the rear end. in reply to Wardner, 09-07-2006 07:07:29  
OH yeah. Wal-mart carries two grades of farm hydraulic fluid here.



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