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What good is an H?

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City-Boy McCoy

11-01-2006 09:13:00

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Now Boys, please don't get upset until you read this entire message.
I have wanted an H or M for 50 years. Of the two, I'm thinking I'd rather have an H. But my cousin who has lived on a farm all his life, keeps telling me that the Super C has almost the same horsepower as the H (about 3 hp difference at most), is 1000 lbs lighter, is more manuverable, has live hydraulics and is the better choice of the two. He says if a Super C is not enough, I need to skip over the H and go on and get an M. Is he right? Does the H have any advantages which he is not aware of? The machine would be used primarily to pull a brush hog and a disc harrow.
I could see where his points would not be valid if I were getting a SUPER H (@ 35 hp and live hydraulics), but what about the regular H vs. the Super C? Maybe I ought to look for a Super H? Maybe I ought to get a Super C? Maybe he's wrong? Please advise me here...
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mike

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dej(JED)

11-02-2006 05:14:36

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Get the M because it is heavier, has more power and you never have enough power.

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Jimmy King

11-02-2006 04:32:12

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

I grew up on an H to start with it has one more gear than the Super C, my Dads cousin had a super C and we worked togather a lot. The C will out handle the H but will not keep up with it when working.

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Kyle Super C

11-01-2006 22:39:12

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

The H is not better-looking than a Super C, no, no, no - my neighbor has an H and and an M, while I have a Super C, and when the tractors are parked side-by-side during haying/baling season, my Super C wins the beauty contest. Or maybe it's just when I'm sitting on it. Obviously, I'm a little biased, but I've driven his H a bit, and I think my Super C handles better. Like somebody said, just get one of each, then you can compare for yourself. Or have your neighbor get the one you don't have, so that you can rank them.

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Aberdale Farm

11-01-2006 19:46:10

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

I have both a C and an H (and a 300, an M, a SM, a 450, and a 560 too, for that matter). There is lots of good advice mentioned already, but I'll add mine. Whenever I need to do a utility job around the farm, the H gets the nod. It's got good power and maneuverability, and it starts easy and uses very little fuel. The drawbar on the C isn't quite as heavy. And even though the horsepower rating may be close, that extra 3-4 HP and 1000 lbs. make a world of difference in lugging and pulling capacity. The H is much more tractor.

That said, I don't use either tractor on a bush hog because neither have live pto. Live pto is not only safer, but it's also much more convenient. If you really want a "red" tractor, you may want to consider a 300, or a 300 utility, or a 460 utility, or a 504 or 544. All good choices for mowing tractors because of LPTO, and they will all pull a plow or disk harrow as well.

Of course you can have fun with any of them. Good luck!

Dale

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City-Boy McCoy

11-01-2006 18:01:39

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Thanks, guys. You are the greatest! in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

I appreciate your input and comments.
mike

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Pete76NY

11-01-2006 18:00:08

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

An old buck I know used to sell IH equipment back in the '50s in Cortland, NY told me they "bout couldn't give an H away once the Super Cs hit the ground!"

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Pete76NY

11-01-2006 17:57:35

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Depends on what your're really gonna do...the Super C will do about anything a straight H will do, and in many cases do it in a handier fashion; the turning radius of a row crop Super C is unbelievable, the fast hitch (if equipped) is really alot handier than alot of 3 pt hitches are (if it doesn't have QH, it loses ground in the handieness contest quickly, and the live hydraulics are nice. Can you add 3 pt and live hydraulics to an H? sure...more work. The H would be my choice coming off the hills here in Upstate, NY with a load on, and the front frame is stronger then the torque tube of the C. Of the 10-12 tractors we have(several colors and models) the Super C is by far the handiest for most of our chores, it runs a 5' hog all day like it's not there, runs a QH sickle bar mower, plows with 2 12" bottoms well, and turns on a dime. ...AND when it comes time for playing, they trailer easier, and if ya get out pulled in the stock division by a straight H, ya know he is'nt really stock!

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Elmer's Grassman

11-01-2006 17:32:12

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

I have run a 5 ft brush hog, 990 IH MOCO, and an Aliss 444 baler with my H and a bunch of small jobs. All on a side hill in N Pennsylvania. I would love an M on the baler, but I don"t think a C would work for much of these jobs. I run the hydraulics through a valve off the belly pump.

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Tractorfan1

11-01-2006 16:31:46

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Some of these guy's are not giving the H it's due credit, I have a 48 H that has been in the family since 1967, that tractor always had a loader on it. We have plowed, harrowed, planted, yarded wood, split wood, has a 7 foot blade for snow removal. The only thing we ever had to do to this tractor was the starter, point's, seal in the lift all pump, spark plug's(maybe 3 set's since 1967). This tractor has been nearly indestructable! I would not think twice about buying another one. Between my H two cub's a Super M and the 806D. You can bet that in -25 weather the old H will start!

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bm3501466

11-01-2006 16:09:56

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Do what I do, play around with a 1086. lol

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Dave from MN

11-01-2006 14:55:00

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

My "H" is handy to a point, use if for pulling lighter loads on racks, some manure spreader work ( leaves from the yard). Handy for moving things around the farm. Thats about it. Looks nice and was the 1st IH I learned to drive back in '82. Will never sell it, but a super c would be much more handy for moving things around, a 300 would much more pull it's load for the farm. If you buy for "wants" or "nostalga" b uy an "h" what the heck. If you need it to grunt once in a while get the "M" if you must have a letter series. If you get a chance at a "super C" for Lords sake get it in yer shed. If you want functionality get 300-400 OR newer and enjoy versatility .

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Don Hopf

11-01-2006 13:56:33

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Using a bushhog on a H could be fun. When you push the clutch in to stop, the blades of the bushhog will kept moving the tractor forward. Live pto doesn't do this.

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Steven@AZ

11-01-2006 14:45:20

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to Don Hopf, 11-01-2006 13:56:33

That would be why you buy an over-running coupler from your local farm store.

DO NOT USE A BUSH HOG OR MOWER WITHOUT AN OVER_RUNNING COUPLER on a tractor that doesn't have independent PTO!

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Steven@AZ

11-01-2006 12:15:00

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Good discussion so far...

I have an H that I rebuilt and modified to my liking as a mowing tractor, it has an IH 1110 fully mounted sickle bar mower on it. From my experience, the H is much better on fuel than an M and still big enough to do a real day's work.

Comparing the H and Super C is somewhat apples to oranges comparison. Horsepower is about the same, but as the H has more cubic inches and a longer stroke, the engine will lug down and pull more in a tough spot. The Super C has live hydraulics which can be really handy, depending on what you are using the tractor for. I think that bush hogging would be easier with the live hydraulics, because you can push the clutch in to stop - raise or lower the implement - then go again.

What size disc harrow do you plan to pull? A Super C may not have enough tire or weight on it to get the traction you need in loose soil to get the horsepower to the ground.

Also, the H has a stronger frame/torque tube than the Super C and will take more abuse over rough land, etc.

In the end, it's up to your preferences and what you plan to use the tractor for the most. Personally, I would buy a 300 or 350 and move up to even more horsepower, live hydraulics, and maybe even power steering. I really wish I would have put my money into a 300 or 350 instead of my H...

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Dave H (MI)

11-01-2006 12:20:33

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to Steven@AZ, 11-01-2006 12:15:00

Steven - is that an H in the picture? Sure could use a mid mount mower like that. What model is it and what tractors did it fit?

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Steven@AZ

11-01-2006 14:48:53

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to Dave H (MI), 11-01-2006 12:20:33

It is an IH mower, model 1110. It was put on in 1969 by my great-uncle. The older model would be a 110.

It will fit from the A up through 686 for sure, might even fit the large-frame tractors with a little modification. I've often thought of putting it on our 544, live PTO would be nice sometimes.

If you would like to see more pictures of my H, click here!

Steven@AZ'

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Dave H (MI)

11-01-2006 19:40:17

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to Steven@AZ, 11-01-2006 14:48:53

Enjoyed the slide show, thanks! Looks like you got one of those steps that are always on e-bay for your little Farmall. Was thinking on getting one for our B one of these days. Have to keep my eye open for one of those mowers!

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Steven@AZ

11-02-2006 06:50:44

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to Dave H (MI), 11-01-2006 19:40:17

Nope, don't have one of those steps from eBay. They are a rip-off, plain and simple. I have one on my A that I built myself, I saved those pics from an eBay auction so that I could build a better step someday... The A hasn't been moved in 3 years now, just don't have any work for it to do since I'm not home Dad doesn't mess around with old tractors, just fires up the big diesels with cab and AC!

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HobbyFarmer71

11-01-2006 11:47:30

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Mike

Something you need to keep in mind. When the Letter Series came back in 1938 (I think it was) Farmall had 3 models. The A, H & M. Back then, the H was the middle of the line. The B came out a few years later to do 2-row cultivating, which years later the C replaced. As the years progressed, advaces where made along the way, for example HP increases, hyds, etc. So out came the Super series.

Either tractor should serve you well. The Super C should be better on the gas than the H, but unless your really farming with it, I don"t think you"ll notice the gas savings all that much.

A few things to keep in mind. Either tractor should handle a 5 foot Brush-Hog with out to much trouble, but you didn"t say how big the disc harrow is. You may need the weight of the H to pull it. You can always put Super H sleeves and pistons in the H to increase the HP with out to much expense.

My 2 cents.

HobbyFarmer71

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RustyFarmall

11-01-2006 11:37:33

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Horsepower is not the deciding factor, over-all performance is what you are looking for, and because the H is heavier, and has taller rear tires, it will outperform the C or super C. You could go to Sears and buy a brand new lawn tractor rated at about the same horsepower as an H Farmall, but guess which tractor will do the most work?

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City-Boy McCoy

11-01-2006 18:14:01

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-01-2006 11:37:33

Very good point. Thanks.
mike

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edf iowa

11-01-2006 11:05:40

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Get one of each then. They're not expensive.

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EUG1206

11-01-2006 10:19:07

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

I aggree, go with a 300, live hydraulics, TA, and not much more $ than an H. Then again, I am biased because I just bought one.

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glennster

11-01-2006 10:19:04

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

if you are gonna disc and bush hog, i would go with the h. its heavier, i pull a 5ft rotary mower behind mine, have a loader on it also. you can get an aftermarket 3pt hitch, and that will open up alot of uses for it too. the h is a lot easier on gas than my m's too. parts are readily available too. it should have the belly hydraulics on it, you can do a little plumbing and get 2 way hydraulics too.

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Glenn F.

11-01-2006 09:45:51

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

I am not a Farmall expert, but an H is certainly noted for its maneuverability. Personally I will always vote for the heavier tractor. Even though the horsepower of a Super C and a plain H are very close, I'll bet after good day of heavy tilling with each, the H would be your choice. I am willing to bet the H would hold up a lot better in the long run as well.

Glenn F.

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Mike CA

11-01-2006 09:31:16

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Because nothing looks better than an H.

An M is at a close second.

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City-Boy McCoy

11-01-2006 18:06:47

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to Mike CA, 11-01-2006 09:31:16

I totally agree with you. H's are beautiful, timeless, noble looking tractors. On the otherhand, the Super C looks not nearly as good as the H or the M.
mike

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sd pete

11-01-2006 09:16:30

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-01-2006 09:13:00

Just fool them all and get a 300. Live power live hydraulics, and maybe power steering.

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dhermesc

11-01-2006 10:00:12

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Re: What good is an H? in reply to sd pete , 11-01-2006 09:16:30

I agree, a 300 or 350 has live PTO along with 10-15 more HP then a Super C.

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