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300u Stuck after 1 week!!!

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JayWalt

11-11-2006 23:05:32




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Hi guys. I got my garage cleaned out about 2 weeks ago. Put the 300u in there to keeper dry for the winter. Well my car needed a brake job which had many SERVERE complications. Ended up taking a good solid week of 3 hours/day after work and a full 2 day weekend to get it done, along with an oil change/lube, new blower motor. Well today it was about 40 degrees. I went to start her up and she wouldnt turn over. The solenoid seemed to click fine. Currentltly my generator is not hooked up, as the belt is broke, and my water pump pulley's setscrew is broke. So until I get a spliceable belt to run it, I just charge it after each use. Well I forgot the last time, so I thought the battery was dead. Charged her up for a bit, charged within 10 minutes on slow charge, so I knew it wasnt the battery. I checked the voltage at the battery, solenoid and starter. When trying to start, the voltage at the starter was 4.1. So I got out the 6v jumpstart to give the battery a boost. Same result. I figured maybe the starter was tied up. Whacked her a bit with a rubber mallet, and same thing. With the loader all the way down, I was in for fun. I jacked the bucket up and put a dolley under it and tried pulling it in road gear. Nothing. I couldnt get any traction in the stones with my empty bed S-10. So I put her in neautral and pulled her to the road so I could get my car out of the garage. Decided to try pushing her on the road. Tires spun again. Got back about 6 inches max to not destroy my road gear and idled into her and she broke loose. Started right up then.

My question is, how the heck did she get stuck in 1 week of sitting. I know its colder now, but only 10 egress colder. Is this a common occourence for the temperatuire to lock up an engine. I guess this eliminates using it as a plow. Besides, the extreme cold is not good on hydraulic pumps.
What could I do to help this situation out?
I was very upset until I broke it loose. I didnt want to run it after breaking it loose, as I would imagine it puts excessive wear on shrunken parts. I had to to get her in the garage tho, so I did.
Any thoughts, insights, words of comfort would be appreciated!!

Also, on a side note, my hydraulioc pump buzzes when in use with a load. Anyone really know what actually causes this? Can a hydrulic pump be remachined like those plates for the oil pumps (on the M's I believe). Hydraulic pumps on these tractors are essentially gear pumps like oil pumps. Anyone have a exploded view of these pumps? The pump works fine, and the cylinders are quick, but I'd just like to know in case I decide to have her fixed. With the engine off, if I put the lift cylinder valve in the up position (1 way lift cylinders), the arms go down slowly. I'm sure this is normal to some degree, but how normal?

Thanks for any help guys!!

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karl f

11-12-2006 21:47:59




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
how cold we talkin? if it's below freezing 32f or 0c, it's possible your tranny is full of water and that is what froze. had that issue with a ford and my H before.
-karl



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klf

11-12-2006 07:13:12




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
Yeah, we have had this happen to our H before. The starter drive gets stuck. We just put it in high gear and rock the back tire by hand. A large screwdriver to turn the flywheel from under the bell housing works good too. When you hear the drive snap back, try it again.



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Jimer

11-12-2006 06:59:00




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
Read my posts and comments I received almost immediately below. Seems we may have similar problems.
Jimer



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Janicholson

11-12-2006 06:24:25




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
Gene Bender has it Called. I would replace the starter drive gear (there is supposed to be a new and improved drive at CaseIH dealers) Unless it was in the rain with the cap/can off of the muffler, the chances of it having piston rings rusting stuck are slim. JimN



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Brownie 45

11-12-2006 03:48:10




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
Tractors have been used in colder weather than you are describing with no lockups. Crack the oil drain plug & see if there is any evidence of coolant there. Otherwise, I'd go along with the starter lockup already described.



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gene bender

11-12-2006 02:37:24




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
The starter drive was locked up. next time you think the engine is froze take starter out and in the process you mite hear it click. mite need to use some light lube on the bendix. this can happen if weak voltage to the starter. clean all terminals and make sure the cables are good 1ga . dont need a gen for a few starts as if the batt is any good it should start many times providing the system is in good shape including starter.

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City-Boy McCoy

11-12-2006 02:34:36




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-11-2006 23:05:32  
Jay:
Gee, I don't know - but I'd sure be watching my plugs for evidence of moisture; also, I'd be watching the oil for telltale gray color. Hopefully, it was just a fluke due to rapid temp change causing moisture build-up in the cylinders.
mike



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JayWalt

11-12-2006 06:25:49




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-12-2006 02:34:36  
I pulled the dipstick, oil is normal color, indicating no moisture in the oil. I looked down the stack, nice black color, no rust. What does it take to pull the starter? just the 3 bolts? How do I shim is properly?

I'm not convinced its the starter, but it would be alot cheaper if it was =).
The starter never sounded like it engaged. So if the starter gear bendix is locked up, putting the tractor in gear shouldn't have broke it loose. I don't know. Next time it happens, I'll pull the starter and check it out. Where do you get new starters? Is the bendix rebuildable/ replaceable?
I'm going to put some atf fluid in thecylinder since I wont be running her for a while. How much? I dont wanna foul the plug when I do go to run it.

Thanks guys!!

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old

11-12-2006 09:06:57




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-12-2006 06:25:49  
As the others have said, its very common for the starter to jam on the flywheel and that will lock the engine up. Loosen up the starter bolts and wiggle it a little and it pops loose. Then your good to go again. Weal battery makes the common problem even worse.



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gene bender

11-12-2006 08:28:22




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-12-2006 06:25:49  
look on e-bay as there is a place in MINN has new starters with bendix for 115 plus 15 for shipping. I got one for a new overhaul this summer and it turned engine over fast on 6v. A new bendix can run 50bucks i would go with the new starter cause nothing is more trying than a weak starter when you want to start when its 10 below. My B with loader and front blade will always start in the cold.



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Janicholson

11-12-2006 07:05:01




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 Re: 300u Stuck after 1 week!!! in reply to JayWalt, 11-12-2006 06:25:49  
The Drive on IH tractors starters are notorious for jambing into the ring gear. They can dammage the ring gear (requiring a split to fix) Sometimes they come loose by violent rocking of the tractor in high gear (with a loader, that is tough unless up) they always come loose by loosening the starter. A new drive is the ticket. When it is out, look at the ring gear to check its teeth compared to teeth just a little to one side. 4 cylinder 4stroke engines almost always stop in one of two places in the engine rotation due to compression resistance. If the teeth look fair, Leave it alone and get the newer drive from IH. JimN

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