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JPM in WA

02-10-2007 00:43:14




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OK, I have never painted anything metal before...I have most of my Super A in pieces and am close to putting it back together and would appreciate "the idots guide to painting a tractor" version. Do I need a spray gun or spray cans? What about primers? What is the best way to get the rust and dirt off ? I have seen the page on color codes and have a sense on what color to get, but am clueless about what hardeners are for and when it is neccessary to use them.. Also, I am wondering how much paint does a guy need to paint a Super A? Well, thanks for any advice y"all have.

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glennster

02-10-2007 16:44:02




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
jpm, here is a cub i painted 8 years ago with the farm and fleet paint. still looks good
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glennster

02-10-2007 16:39:51




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
a lot of good advice here. for your first paint job, keep it simple. get the tractor clean, grease and rust free. if you want an inexpensive paint, you can get satisfactort results with the farm and fleet brand in i-h red, its 18-20 gallon, use there primer too. they have a valspar hardener that you can add to the paint. if you can get a spray gun, borrow, rent or buy depending on your budget. if spraying, thin the farm and fleet brand about 10-15 %. sprays better. i think they use mineral spirits, but check the can. to be sure. good luck!!! its a lot of work, but preparation is 90% of a good paint job

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Red48m

02-10-2007 15:00:04




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
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Heres my first attempt at painting. I started with a pressure wash then scrubed with simple green followed by another pressure wash. Then many hours with wire brushes. Painted with IH red primer and 2150 with hardener. I should have spent more prep time on the sheet metal but now I know not to leave ANYTHING on the sheetmetal. Shes a little dirty in the pic but I get alot of complements when shes clean.

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SuperA-Tx

02-10-2007 08:40:26




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
You need to wash it good with a pressure washer to get all the dirt off you can. After that you can use some oven cleaner to cut the old paint, may have to do it several times. I think the easiest was to get rust off is to sand blast. Lots of people use wire brushes or wire disks on a drill but I dont think you can get all the rust with that method.

After you have the grease, dirt, paint, and rust off then you can do any body work if you want.

Clean everything with paint thinner before you start with the primer to remove the sand and things that might have gotten on there.

Primer will take about 1/2 a gallon to do the whole tractor. If your going to do a decent job I think you need an air compressor and at least a siphon type paint gun. You can get them about anywhere and will probly pay for itself in the end.

After the primer dries then you should put two coats of paint. Will probly take about 2/3 of a gallon for the Super A. Follow the directions of the paint for the thinner depending on if you brush it on or spray it on. I dont think it matters one way or another on cast parts. If you use the hardner you need some kind of breathing devise. If you decide not to use a hardner then after the paint dries it will be "soft" for several months and will scratch easly.

After the paint sets up then put it back together. The bolts heads will have to be touched up after assembly. Make sure you dont paint the threads on the bolts.

Then add the new decals.

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RichH

02-10-2007 12:36:55




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to SuperA-Tx, 02-10-2007 08:40:26  
I agree with SuperA on all the steps to painting your tractor, but I want to add some more steps before you assemble any of the parts. CarQwest has a good spray on cleaner called Purple Cleaner that does a real good job of final clean up. After all the parts are as clean as you can get them, wipe them down with a lint free rag wet with an enamel reducer to prep the metal. Then use a good grade of non sanding(not Rustolium) primer on the cast parts and a sanding primer on the sheet metal parts that you can get in a spray can. When the primer is dry on the sheet metal, sand with very fine sand paper to smooth out the primer. Then get some cans of the color you want and paint the parts with that. Now you can assemble most of the parts except the sheet metal. Pressure wash and spray with Purple Cleaner again to wash assm. oil and grease off and wipe with the enamel reducer again. Either paint again with cans or a spray gun and mix a hardener with the paint. Painting the parts before assm. you get paint in places where you can't with the parts together and a second coat of color makes it look that much better and the bolts and nuts get some paint on them too. Cleaning, metal prep, and sanding the sheet metal are the most important steps to a good paint job that sticks to the metal for years to come. Good luck RichH

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GordoSD

02-10-2007 06:26:28




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
You're on the wrong board. Go over to the paint and bodywork forum. They will get you going. Talk to your friends and tell them what you are doing. Someone knows someon who should be willing to help you along. Stop by your local body shop around closing time and shoot the bull with the guys there. Get a few books on painting from the local body supply houses. It's now rocket science but there are lots of things you should do in the prep stage that can make a HUGE difference. The old bodyman's saying that 'paint can't hide anything' is the basic premise in your prepwork. It's just me , but there's nothing I hate to see worse than a horrible paint job. I just think, all he did was change the color of this thing, what with the paint over the grease, rust and dents.
Gordo

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RustyFarmall

02-10-2007 06:50:23




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to GordoSD, 02-10-2007 06:26:28  
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Those guys on the paint and bodywork forum don't want to talk about anything that doesn't cost at least $100 a gallon or more. I have achieved excellent results with the IH 2150. I buy it in quarts and apply it with a brush on the cast iron parts, and use the IH 2150 in rattle cans for the sheet metal.

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mike a. tenn.

02-10-2007 07:10:26




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-10-2007 06:50:23  
hey guys...i don't usually stop here at the farmall forum but the post title here caught my eye and i sure am glad i looked. i'm thinking about rebuilding my to-20 and have been wondering how i'd go about painting it without beeing embarrassed about not using high dollar paints and hardners and all, or having top o' the line sprayers and compressors and everything else that goes along with them. it's good to know that not everyone feels the need to put a "showroom" finish on their tractor. i wouldn't want one anyway because i actually USE my machinery. i do have a small compressor and a cheap paint gun and have used it pretty successfully on a couple implements i've cleaned up a little and sprayed, mostly to keep the rust off. i use rustoleum rust primer on them and then hit them with a coat or two of rustoleum color, and they hold up very well for me. and now that i know i'm not the only one that thinks it's fine to just get a nice coat of color on your tractor, i won't be embarrased to talk about it anymore either! i do find that using my cheap little paint gun and compressor is a lot faster and easier than the rattle can method when i'm painting something large. i "think" i get a more even coating also, but i have nothing against anyone that brushes or rattle-cans their stuff. and i'm glad to know there are more like me out there. thanks guys!

-mike

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El Toro

02-10-2007 07:00:31




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-10-2007 06:50:23  
Where's the tractor with the yellow hood? Hal



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RustyFarmall

02-10-2007 09:26:26




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to El Toro, 02-10-2007 07:00:31  
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Right here



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El Toro

02-10-2007 09:40:05




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-10-2007 09:26:26  
I forgot the grille being yellow. Sure does look nice. I think the yellow sets off the red. They're calling for snow on Monday thru Tuesday.
I fired up the blower just in case. Sure starts easy with that 120 volt starter. Hal



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El Toro

02-10-2007 05:39:37




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
Here's how Oscar in OH did his Super W6TA. Hal
He used Martin Senour's paint.


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Don L C

02-10-2007 11:26:08




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to El Toro, 02-10-2007 05:39:37  
....she sure looks good....on the next one if you must use concrete blocks, sit them upright not laying on there side.....you were lucky.....



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El Toro

02-10-2007 15:36:56




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to Don L C, 02-10-2007 11:26:08  
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Here's the Fairway 12 painted. Hal



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El Toro

02-10-2007 15:33:52




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to Don L C, 02-10-2007 11:26:08  
That wasn't my tractor, that belongs to Oscar Jutte in western OH. He did a Fairway 12 too.
Hal
PS: I have a picture somewhere when he was sandblasting it. Here's a picture of a Troy Bilt tiller that I painted with PPG's Omni.

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Cory A.

02-10-2007 05:16:04




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
I usually pressure wash everything and hit it with some degreaser. Then I will take an angle grinder with a wire brush and get the old paint off. As far as painting it goes, Spray cans will work well but it will take awhile. Good luck!



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James Williams

02-10-2007 04:42:21




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to JPM in WA, 02-10-2007 00:43:14  
JPM,Since this is your first job,forget all the professional language and invest in IH 2150 and use it like it comes out of the can

James



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IaGary

02-10-2007 04:58:44




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 Re: First time Paint job in reply to James Williams, 02-10-2007 04:42:21  
I agree unless you are trying to win awards for your paint job keep it simple.

I want my tractors to look decent but they aren't going to any shows.I use them and they will get dinged up.

I use the spray cans.Simple and easy. I buy from Case IH.

If you want a show winning job you better hire a professional.

Gary



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