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Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H!

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Steven@ND

06-24-2007 18:55:57

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Raked a mile or so of road ditch this evening with Dad's H that has a narrow front end... inslope is probably a 3 to 1 and guess what? I did not tip over! Wow! Who knew that you could use a narrow front tractor without tipping over?!?!?

LOL Seriously, people, if you use a little common sense and pay attention, a narrow front tractor is not at all dangerous. The only dangerous part would be the operator.

And for Hugh - nope, the wheels are not set wide, wheels are dished out and set probably 4" from the tractor.

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Hugh MacKay

06-28-2007 03:03:28

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

Steven: My best guess is your wheels are already at 72" tread setting. I call that plenty wide enough for most appications, at least it was standard setting on all my Farmalls.

The guys that scare the hell out of me are folks trying to run row crop tractors at less than 70", yes even as low as 60". I'm kind of the same mind set as Allan. When he took the duals off that 1066 this past winter, and tractor having a cab with inside tires tucked in tight to cab, he tought it might blow over in the Nebraska wind.

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Steven@ND

06-28-2007 05:30:53

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-28-2007 03:03:28

They might already be that wide, I dunno - never measured. Might just have to measure today when I go out this morning...

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Thomas D Windsor

06-25-2007 16:41:32

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

I was looking at air breather covers? Upside down cookie pans? Painted with picture?

What is it?

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Steven@ND

06-25-2007 21:00:18

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Thomas D Windsor, 06-25-2007 16:41:32

Yeah, the air breather cap is another air cleaner, Dad thinks it came off a Ford.

Double oil bath air cleaners will take more of the dirt out of the air... LOL

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NE IA Dave

06-25-2007 16:29:27

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

I'm old and grey, but the folks that think wide fronts are super are just not thinking like I do. I tell everyone to run the one front wheel up on a ramp and see how far up the front wheel comes up before there is any resistance. By the time your wide front makes any resistance on a hill side you are dead meat. If anyone questions this reasoning just take a toy tractor with a wide front and put it on a pretend steep hill side and then tip the tractor with their fingers and see when the wide front gives resistance--way to late in the game. Of course a toy is not perfect, but you will get the idea. It is a little more stable perhaps, just not a whole lot if any.

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Sam#3

06-25-2007 05:22:25

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

Yep! The best safety device is the attitude alignment of the big nut that connects the seat to the steering wheel.

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Allan In NE

06-25-2007 00:40:18

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

Now, tell the rest of the story.

There isn't a steep bar pit in the whole state of North Dakota.

Take 'er over across the line into Montana; bet ya can have 'er in your lap pretty darned easy over there. Steepest darned road edges I've ever seen.

Allan

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georgeky

06-24-2007 21:11:12

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

Steven still in ND, if you use that common since you spoke of and realize the limitations, you can take them most anywhere you could any other tractor. I mow stuff here that has the neighbors looking and worrying about me. I have spent so much time on hills with C's and M's that it makes no difference to me about tricycle or wide fronts. Lots of times I am more comfortable on one of these old tractors than lots of folks are on their 4 wheel drives. I have reared them up a time or two, but never turned one over.

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Dave2N

06-25-2007 05:29:08

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to georgeky, 06-24-2007 21:11:12

Bingo! That's the way it's been here in our hilly part of the country since the beginning of time. Folks in these parts have always used "trikes." It's all in the operator's head; if it looks wrong or doesn't feel right, don't do it. Way too much is made of this "NF's are more dangerous than WF's" business. My only caveat: using loaders.

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georgeky

06-25-2007 11:18:05

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Dave2N, 06-25-2007 05:29:08

Dave, tend to agree about the loader, but that is something that tricycle experiance works on too. My son turned my 666 over in Feb of 2006 due to lack of experiance and not listening to dad. He was traveling to fast and had the loader up to high and full of fire wood. It slid just a little on thawing ground and hit an old plow furrow and bam! Over she went. Right upside down. Luckily he wasn't hurt. It sure scared the daylights out of him though. He kept worrying about the tractor, said he thought I was going to kill him. I tried explaining that as long as he was OK we could buy another tractor. As it turned out it only broke the steering wheel,muffler and seat. Also ruined the batteries. Cost less than 500 bucks to fix it. That was a lot better and cheaper than a funeral. Be careful guy's, as there is no substitute for diligence.

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georgeky

06-25-2007 17:25:18

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to georgeky, 06-25-2007 11:18:05

In case the spelling police is watching, I spelled experience wrong at least twice I see.

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Steven@ND

06-25-2007 07:46:49

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Dave2N, 06-25-2007 05:29:08

Yep, in talking with all the older fellas around here, the only time they've every tipped ANY tractor is with a loader on it... and the bucket raised over 6 feet in the air and usually with a load on it.

Darn narrow front sure makes the steering wheel kick when you hit a hole, though...

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RustyFarmall

06-24-2007 18:58:56

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to Steven@ND, 06-24-2007 18:55:57

The keyword there is "common sense". Yes, those narrow front tractors are a whole lot more stable than most folks think.

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Steven@ND

06-24-2007 19:21:42

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-24-2007 18:58:56

I'll admit I'm more comfortable with a wide front on the inslopes of ditches... but I just wanted to point out that a narrow front is a lot safer than many people think.

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jonnny2006

06-24-2007 19:13:01

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-24-2007 18:58:56

a wide front can give a person a false sence of security. there is not much diffrence between wide and narrow. it is the center of gravity which is most important. higher the trsctor easery to tip over. The wide front might be a little bit more stable. we used a H for years and would bail the grass the county cut. it was a little dusty but it made good horse hay. we bailed with a 39 H and needed the adapter on the pto to make it bigger. We used a mccormic bailer. MY dad gave the H away and the bailer away when i was 20! i did not have a place for them at the time. the h needed alot of work..... bad flywheel so hand or pop start, 5th gear was stripped out and would not work at all, for years we used a bungie cord to hold it in. Also the engine rsn like $hit. my uncle was begining his mechanic carrer and could not get one of the sleves out and we paid the price. she burned oil almost a month after the break in period. when pops gave away the bailer and tractor they were both frozen. I wish i had both of them right now!

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Steven@ND

06-24-2007 19:25:21

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Re: Raking hay in road ditches w/narrow front H! in reply to jonnny2006, 06-24-2007 19:13:01

johnnny: This particular H was Dad's first tractor that he bought and paid for all by himself. He used it for several years doing some custom baling with a New Holland 69 square baler until the engine lost a rod bearing. He parked it for a while and then finally rebuilt it over one winter. After rebuilding he sold it to a relative who used it in the intervening 30 or so years. I just bought it back last summer. Dad always has a little bit of a smile when we are using it now. Both of our H's are '42 models, too!

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