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Bring back the sm-ta?????

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jonnny2006

08-03-2007 15:18:09




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I whish case ih would start making the super mta again. They could start at the serial number where they left off. just make another 10,000 of them. Make them identical so if you hade a restored one and a new 2008 model you could not tell the diffrence. You can not have too much of a good thing. But would it take away some of the mystic of the super mta's? It is just a idea. Lots of the 50's cars were made long after america stopped making them, i belive they were re-made in the middle east.

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barnrat

08-06-2007 07:58:14




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
This question has come up from time to time. For various models of tractors. The John deere 4020 comes to mind. In all practicality and on a worldwide scale the SMTA wouldn't work even in 3rd world countries. Mainly because the rest of the world runs on diesel. Gas tractors never really caught on in any other part of the world except the US. On the other hand there is a more practical tractor that is being produced today that is almost identical to the Ferguson 30. That style of tractor has never gone out of production and they have sold millions of units not just 10,000. You can buy a new one today it's called the Massey Ferguson 533 or 2605.

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John in Ct

08-05-2007 18:58:39




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
Not make new ones but have IH Remaufacture old ones. Cat does it on used equipment. In effect, you end up with a brand new machine. Take the tractor completly apart, replace and or rebuild everything to like new specs.



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Andy Motteberg

08-04-2007 11:48:13




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
I wish IH would still keep making all the old Farmalls, but I bet they would cost a lot more today than the old ones did when they were new! They should make a Super H-TA so people don't have to keep tearing up two tractors to make one.

Andy.



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NDS

08-04-2007 07:34:34




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
In Southern cotton country all letter series tractors including SMTA were considerd obsolete antiques by full time farmers by mid sixtys. One 100 HP diesel would do as much work as field full of Ms and do it much more effeciently.



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BIG RED 1

08-04-2007 07:13:21




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
A famous author once said You can never go home again.A reproduction could possibly affect some of the heritage of the SMTA.
Not to mention production costs.
Will it be possible to get one with out plastic all over it .EPA issues. Will need seat belts(fine in my car but not always practicle on a vintage tractor)
Just some quick thoughts



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jonnny2006

08-03-2007 20:52:55




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
It's great to here all your guys concerns and ideas. Casr ih is world wide. I'm sure there has to be a country where they could make them and use them. I know in some oil producing country (cant rember) they reproduced alot of cars from the 50's. I know that people in mexico are snatching up alot of older modle tractors as there operations are alot smaller. I know you can't farm the 1,000 achers needed with old farmalls unless you had alot of them. I disagree if you made 10,000 of them bet there would be a waitin list to get one. There are 6 billion people on this little rock we live on. 10,000 isent nothing. But i welcome all ideas and thoughts. I know it will never happen atleat not in this country. but like i said if they can make 1950's cars in other country's they could build old tractors again. Its all good I have 5 old tractors and before I pass on hopfully i will have more than a hundred. Just day dreaming a little, But i guess thats what makes these old tractors so fun is that they are old. I'm not so interested in the new tractors or even old tractors that are not farmalls. I guess i could part out john deers....

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Hugh MacKay

08-03-2007 20:28:21




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
jonnny: Did you ever stop to think why there are so many decent SH, SM and SMTA. Long before any of them were worn out, along came tractors like 504, 656, 706, 756, etc., every bit as reliable rear ends and transmissions as SM or SMTA, faster starting more efficient diesels, 3 point hitch with lower link sencing, operator platform very much more user friendly. I could go on and on, however the SMTA was a relic by 1965, and the 656 is still a very modern day tractor.

I bought a very good original SM in a deal with some other equipment, in 1972. I kept it exactly 2 days. Why you may ask? I already had Farmalls 300, 560D, 504 and 656D, all tractors over 35 hp. The SM did not have IPTO, did not have 3 point hitch, did not have that 504-656 platform, did not have a diesel engine. All those other tractors had at least one of those items, necessary in modern day farming in 1972.

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City-Boy McCoy

08-03-2007 16:00:48




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
Johnnnny: Sorry, ol' bud; Dreamland idea. By today's standards, an old row-crop design like the M family of tractors would be considered a major safety hazard with its high center of gravity, no ROPS, etc. The ambulance chasing lawyers would have a field day with Case New Holland, ripping them to shreds like sharks in a feeding frenzy. It is a wonder that all the surviving tractor companies in this country have not been sued for their 40 year-old designs - like was done to companies such as Piper Aircraft 20 years ago.
Probably the EPA would never let them reproduce the 264 gas engine either, since it would be "dirty" by today's standards.
Then, there is that little matter of cost. How much do you think a new SMTA would have to sell for to cover all the costs of tooling up and building 10,000 units, not to mention all the spare parts you would want your dealer to be able to get for you? $35,000? $40,000?
And, what would Case IH do with the other 7,500 tractors after all 2,500 passionate SMTA enthusiasts with enough money to burn in that amount, bought theirs?
Just be grateful the originals were built so well that so many are still around.
Great machine; the king of the letter series for sure. But, it will never happen.... mike durhan

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georgeky

08-03-2007 16:34:05




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 08-03-2007 16:00:48  
Mike, I suggested to CaseIH in 1990 about building new Super C's as there was a big demand for them here in tobacco country at the time. They told me then that it wasn't possible due to many of the reasons you mentioned. It is illegal now to even build a new tricycle front tractor. The emissions standards are the biggest reason the new CaseIH tractors now have Perkins engines in the smaller ones as IH could not get their engines to pass emission standards. A woman high on drugs wrecked an International school bus loaded with children here in Ky while back and now the parents of some of the injured kids are sueing International Truck and Engine over it. I guess those petty fogging lawyers knew they couldn't get anything from the driver so chose to go after International. The woman was sentenced to 22 years in jail last week.

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Wardner

08-03-2007 15:50:08




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 Re: Bring back the sm-ta????? in reply to jonnny2006, 08-03-2007 15:18:09  
The average value of an original SMTA would probably have to rise to well over $50,000 before anyone would consider new reproductions.

Even that statement is somewhat suspect. Fake SMTAs are easy to build using existing donor tractors such as 400-450 and M-SM. The grill is only distinctive SMTA part and is currently being reproduced.

It is interesting to note that the '36-'47 Harley-Davidson Knucklehead is now available as a new motorcycle. I have not seen one but I am told they are very good copies.

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