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towing capacity of a Farmall A

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George22

09-18-2007 19:02:09




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we had our Farmall A for many years, the engine was over 60 years old with no work done to it except for new plugs, and it could drag a cedar tree deadweight that weighed 4 times as much as it did. We used to use it to drag trees down to the woods all the time. It would struggle a little, even in low gear. High gear it couldn't even make it up the back hill unloaded. Now we got it rebuilt as a Super A, it has 22 horsepower and can go up the same hill in high gear with a trailer full of firewood. It can also drag trees of the size i mentioned before in 3rd gear with minimal effort. My question is, exactly how heavy of a load is too heavy? If it will pull it, is it safe to do so?

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Harold H

09-19-2007 07:12:39




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
In Nebraska test 329 of Farmall A gasoline in 1939 the maximum pounds pulled was 2387 pounds at 1.93 mph. I cannot find Nebraska Test for Super A. However, Nebraska test 537 of Farmall 100 (basicly same as Super A) in 1955 the maximum pounds pulled was 2305 pounds at 2.36 mph. A little less pounds but a little faster. As you can see both are basicly the same. Depending on weights and tires, you should not be able to tell the difference in an A and Super A.

Harold H

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Hugh MacKay

09-19-2007 10:03:21




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to Harold H, 09-19-2007 07:12:39  
Harold: The Super A never was tested at Nebraska. IH basically decided to let it fly on the A record. Since it has to drive a hydraulic pump with the same engine, it could have come in at lower hp.



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Janicholson

09-19-2007 08:04:46




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to Harold H, 09-19-2007 07:12:39  
Both probably traction limited. The difference will show up in the time to speed, and as Harold indicates the climbing of hills, and rate of plowing bushhogging, etc. JimN



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Janicholson

09-19-2007 06:25:27




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
Interesting topic!
An item not mentioned, that is very important is not the weight of the object, and not its friction component, but the force on the attachment to the tractor, and the dynamics of that force in relation to the axles, center of gravety, and traction. Stretching (tensile) loads on really big articulated tractors often exceed their weight by as much as 10 to 15%. this assumes wheel slippage enough to get a large contact patch along the bottom of as many as 12 tires, with ballast in experience based positions to allow 50/50 split of pull from front and from back. The Big Bud 735 (the only one) can pull tensile forces at the 65,000 pound level (best of my memory from 9 years ago) Normal cultivation was with a 60 foot field cultivator at 8 mph at about 8" in medium soil (Montana)
If you drag a fair number of logs, build a mini skidding trailer (kind of like a propane tank hauler) to lift the fronts while pulling.

Always keep the attachment point low. Never chain to castings. Always pull from the center of the width of the tractor. Figure out where the tractor will go, and how fast, when the chain comes off the load.
Your tractor is probably a 123 now (as pointed out) making more HP and it is fresh. Safety first. JimN

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Hugh MacKay

09-19-2007 02:16:38




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
George: As the others have said, common sence is of the utmost importance here. I agree you shouldn't be draging trees in 3rd gear, if that tree fetches up it will flip you and tractor quicker than you can say the word "flip". This is no log skidder.

I question your horse power comparison between A and SA. With engines in same condition they should be exactly the same, and I'll give the edge to the A as it doesn't have to turn a hydraulic pump. The A was tested at Nebraska, the SA never was tested at Nebraska. IH chose to let the SA fly on the A record, rather than test it at Nebraska and have it not do quite as well as the A. I doubt if that hydraulic system would take more than a fraction of a hp, however the test would pick it up.

To address your too much load question, your A and SA can't get enough traction to harm the power train. IH used basically the same engine in C and SC and with 36" tires those were noted for shorter engine life than in the offsets. From the factory the A, SA and C were 113 cubic inch, late SA after serial 356001, SC, 100, 200, etc were 123 cubic inch. All 113 engines could be upgraded to 123, this could be the reason your noticing more hp than your A had.

As far as trailer load on drawbar, as long as the castings are bolted tight to one another, you will bend the U drawbar before you break castings. That question doesn't matter how large the tractor is, there is NO MAN tough enough to stay in the operators seat long enough to break castings as long as they are tight. Towing the small tractors with chain hooked to axle might be the exception to that rule.

I used to take part in dead weight tractor pulls, 4'x 10' flat steel 1/2" plate stone boat. each tractor had to start and pull the full load 10'. After each successful pull the crew would add as much weight as operator desired. One could keep adding weight as long as the pull was successful. The winner was the tractor pulling the highest percentage of it's own weight. Most tractors will pull on that 4' x 10' stone boat between 2.5 and 3.25 times their own weight. We never saw all tractor models compete, however in our experience the hard tractors to beat were offset Farmalls, the Farmall H and the Cockshutt 30. I've seen more than one guy show up with big 6 cylinder Olivers, Cockshutts or Farmall M, only to leave disappointed. Proves one thing,"The bigger they are, the harder they fall".

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K.B.-826

09-18-2007 21:03:46




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
I think the general rule for modern-day tractors towing trailer-type implements is that the weight of the implement should not exeed 1.5 times the weight of the tractor. I'd stay a little lower than that for the A. Keep in mind that having enough power to pull the implement is the easy part, controling the implement is the hard part. Gotta have enough weight so that you don't get pushed aroud, and enough brakes to safely stop. Like what was said below, be careful pulling those trees around, take it slow!

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ScottyHOMEy

09-18-2007 20:26:49




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
"If it will pull it, is it safe to do so?"

My reply below didn't address that part of your post.

No.

I agree with SDE that it would be hard to break the tractor.

I shuddered a little though when you said something about dragging trees in third. Logs are dangerous enough to drag when they're rigged right. If they're not or the rigging should fail, they can flip or roll you in a heartbeat even in first, if they fetch up. A whole tree, depending on the type can fetch up even quicker. The only tractor I ever saw flip was one where a guy was pulling fencposts by wrapping them with chain and using the torque of his tractor wheel to lift them. A neat trick, if you chain it to the front side of the wheel and go in reverse. He went the other way, and lived only because the ground gave on one side and the tractor rolled instead of coming straight back over, and he was able to get away from it.

Be careful!

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ScottyHOMEy

09-18-2007 20:10:39




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
Tricky question there, George.

Common sense must rule, and what you can pull with any tractor depends on what it weighs, the surface you're on, how you've got it rigged . . . I could go on for a while.

If your question is purely academic, you might want to try Googling some of the tractor pulling organizations, who might have some records of what kind of loads an A has moved on a track. Dunno, but maybe the Nebraska tests include some data that might help you out.

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SDE

09-18-2007 19:54:23




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 Re: towing capacity of a Farmall A in reply to George22, 09-18-2007 19:02:09  
As long as common sense prevails, you should not wreck any thing on or in the tractor. I have a C and I have not broken anything on that by overloading it. A coworker said that his brother broke a housing on a B by loading to much weight on the tractor in an attempt to gain traction. But that is the only time I have heard of a small tractor being broken in that manner.
SDE



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