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2656 hydraulic noise

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bc

01-13-2008 10:17:55




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Hi, I am (among other issues) still trouble shooting my steering and hydraulics. As soon as I get the carb fixed, a mud hole dries up, and I get enough hay moved to last a while, I intend to take the hydraulics apart.

Anyway, when I was running yesterday, there is a buzzz buzzz sound coming from the hydraulics and louder around the pump area. It is kind of a steady pulsating buzz with each buzz lasting about a half to one second. Is this cavitation or what? And what would cause that.

I have decided to pull the flow divider off to check it to see why the steering is so hard on it. I talked to a hydraulics repair business and they would bench test it for $110 but he said they rarely go bad. He thought it was a pump not putting out enough or the steering cylinder seal leaking internally.

I can operate the backhoe hydraulics and yesterday I moved around a 1500# hay bale with the front end loader. However, the hydraulics did make a lot of loud whining noise when it picked it up with a little hesitation but it does come up and it held while I moved the bale around which took a while in the mud.

It has probably always done it, but I'm not sure this steady pulsating buzz buzz noise was as loud before. I probably ran it about 2 hours yesterday after I got the carb back on it which I'm going to take back off this afternoon again since the new needle and seat doesn't shut off the gas when it is not running (the gas just runs out the carb intake).

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skyharborcowboy

01-13-2008 19:24:41




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 Re: 2656 hydraulic noise in reply to bc, 01-13-2008 10:17:55  
Basically Cavitation is when the pump doesnt have a liquid to pull on. It is like a the pump is slipping due to the air being pulled and/or created because there is not a Head of fluid in the pump cavity. If you have ever been in a boat and the prop slips and creates air bubbles? That is cavitation as well.
On my tractor I am going to pull the filter out tomorrow and try to replace it because it is more likely then not to be clogged up. I just bought the tractor and it steered fine with just a bit of air in the system. Now I have a lot of air in the system so I think my fluid was probably contaminated and it just settled in the filter cavity allowing things to work relatively good at first but with more use it is now clogging the filter bypass.

Joe

PS. I could be wrong but start simple.

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bc

01-13-2008 18:09:59




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 Re: 2656 hydraulic noise in reply to bc, 01-13-2008 10:17:55  
Thanks, but I have been following that thread already. It doesn't explain what cavitation is.

The hydraulics weren't quite as noisy today. The buzz is more of high pitch whine/buzz. When you hold either of the pump outlet hoses, I can feel the pulsation that is consistant with the noise. It doesn't feel like a steady flow. The pump outlet hoses however don't vibrate back and forth like the hose going from the loader valves back to the backhoe hydraulic setup. That hose kind of jumps around a little.

I am already a few gallons over full but I can add some more to see if that will work.

My next step will be to figure out what cavitation is and sounds like. But if either or both pumps were bad, then I probably shouldn't be able to pickup a 1500 # bale. Then I will start pulling lines loose to see if they blow out high psi fluid. I pulled a steering cylinder line off the other day and the best it would do is puke a little fluid out.

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TractormanNC

01-13-2008 12:35:08




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 Re: 2656 hydraulic noise in reply to bc, 01-13-2008 10:17:55  

See the post by "skyharborcowboy" now on page 3 of classic view.



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Dave H (MI)

01-13-2008 10:48:35




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 Re: 2656 hydraulic noise in reply to bc, 01-13-2008 10:17:55  
I don't know about that buzz noise. Hydraulics on my tractors are pretty quiet except when I get air in the system and it needs to be bled. The whine you describe might be that. I would take a look at the owners manual and see if there is a process for doing this. The buzz? If it were summer I would ask you if you had mud daubers around the place. (:



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