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Larry NCKS

01-18-2008 06:03:33




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Thought I posted this, but I don't see it so will try again. Please forgive if it shows up twice.
By the serial numbers on the left here, the SMTA I'm looking at must be a later '54 (SN 66526 S)? Is there a source that will pin point that a bit better and give a little more info about it?

What value should be ttached to this tractor? The tin looks really good and the tires are decent. It needs a paint job. The TA is out.

Thanks!

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gene bender

01-19-2008 00:44:42




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
The value is what you and the seller agree for a price. Those tractors can bring lots one day and cheap the next the location and advertising would have a huge impact on what it could bring just remember at a sale it takes more than one person to run the selling price up.



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Andy Motteberg

01-18-2008 21:54:26




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
If it runs, my guess is it might be worth around $5000 or more. SMTA's are getting harder and harder to find. My Dad has one with serial #77352, that is a pretty high number.



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Steven f/AZ

01-18-2008 19:29:11




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
Had a SMTA a few years back that no one would give $2500 for... finally Dad traded it off on a haybine and was allowed $2500 on paper for it.

Serial number was 68233 S - I wonder where it ever ended up?

For the money the SMTA's are bringing you can get a much better and more useful tractor if you plan on using it. As far as collector value, I personally believe there are too many out there for them to be considered "rare" and command a high price tag. The 400 and 450 have far fewer copies built if you are looking for rare... How about a 1206 Wheatland? A powerful, useful tractor that has only around 1500 built.

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MN Rick

01-19-2008 15:22:32




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Steven f/AZ, 01-18-2008 19:29:11  
I remember seeing the pictures of that tractor. I remember being attracted by the price and having something else about the tractor cause me to lose interest. Wish I could remember what is was because I was in a groove where I was buying every decent SMTA under 3500.00 at the time.



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CNKS

01-18-2008 18:30:24




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
The last SMTA serial was 83523. SMTA's in the condition you describe will likely bring $4-$5000+. PROVIDED the people buying and selling actually know what they have. People who are not collectors and have no interest in collecting, and who do not read magazines or these forums, and know no one who does may consider it to be just a $2000 or less old tractor. To a collector, the practical value is unrelated to the collector value.

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D Slater

01-18-2008 19:21:40




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to CNKS, 01-18-2008 18:30:24  
CNKS, must be a area thing for you and Rusty. For condition Larry posted a SMTA gas could be bought for $3500 and less more often than not in 200 miles of me.



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MN Rick

01-18-2008 15:40:14




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
About 10 years ago I somehow adopted Super M's and MTA's as my tractor of choice. In that time, I've been through somewhere between 15 and 20 of them (not including the ones I've parted out) and tried to watch the asking and selling prices very closely. That does NOT qualify me as any sort of expert. That being said, my experience has been that in my area or the 400 to 500 miles around me, $3500.00 seems to be the baseline for a decent Super MTA that I would consider to be a either a good starting point for a restoration or to use a little bit. From that point, I deduct for very poor rubber and sheet metal. I add for power steering, wide front, M&W governor, weights, ect. Even though a working TA changes the value in my mind by a minimum of $500.00, it doesn't seem to change the value much on the open market. I've seen a few listed here for the $3000.00 neighborhood and remember seeing a couple for even less, but I remember looking at the pictures and somehow thinking I didnt want any part of them, cant remember why right now. On the high side, I've seen them advertised for as high as $12,500.00, but only actually know of 2 or 3 actually changing hands for over $10,000.00. Best I've ever gotten for one myself was $8850.00. An MTA has to have the right grille or the value drops like a rock. (Guess how I learned that...ha,ha) Hope this helps, Rick

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Dave H (MI)

01-18-2008 07:48:23




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
I have always gotten good advice from Rusty and don't care to tick him off but that answer is nonsense. I own a really nice MTA with all the bells and whistles and would love to hear it is worth $10K but it simply is not. In the condition you describe even with a working TA it would be in the low $3000 range. If it has fenders and lights, that ups the price a little but still low $3000. Some good paint and a running TA and about $4K is tops. Even seen those sell for less. The MTA is a nice tractor but it ain't the holy grail. Keep your head and keep looking if you are being held up for more. Lots of scoundrels out there.

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RustyFarmall

01-18-2008 08:23:52




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-18-2008 07:48:23  
Dave, think what you want, but I've seen too many plain Ms in good condition sell in that $3,000 price range. The SMTA was built only for one year. Unless that SMTA is total junk, it will be worth at least twice as much.



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Dave H (MI)

01-18-2008 19:12:16




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-18-2008 08:23:52  
Yeah, I know the drill. We have to agree to disagree and part friendly. Because the MTA is the jewel in my collection I watch them sell everytime they come up around here. One on ebay right now in the SW corner of the state can't get $3500 on it. Like I said, I WANT them to be more valuable but just don't buy the "weren't many of them made argument". Their were a LOT of them made that year and they are mostly still out there. Anyway, don't hold it agin me 'cause I still needs your help with the carbs and I got a couple to do in the Spring. (:

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RustyFarmall

01-18-2008 07:12:04




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
I'd guess at least $5,000. I've heard of them bringing over $10,000.



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GordoSD

01-18-2008 06:54:23




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 Re: SMTA serial number in reply to Larry NCKS, 01-18-2008 06:03:33  
As described, about 3700 dollars. Add for fenders, all working lights, tool box etc. Also add for items you WON'T have to replace like gages, steering wheel, seat, caps.

Gordo



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