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TX. Bulldog

01-25-2008 20:13:13

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Before I go to bed, Id like to ask a question. First let me say I just completely restored a Super H. Everything from front to back has been replaced or rebuilt Everything! Cranked it up 2 evenings ago to warm up so me and my 6 yr. old could go for a ride down the road. Sounds crazy but it somehow jumped into gear and ran over me. Thanks to the man above my little one wasnt standing next to me as usual. Can anyone please tell me how or why this happened and how to prevent this from happening again. Thanks for your help!

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CNKS

01-26-2008 19:01:00

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

On the early H (not the SH)and any other letter series, electric starting was an option. You stood in front of the tractor and cranked it, I have done that hundreds of times. I was told at an early age to make sure it is in neutral. I commonly start my electric start tractors from the ground and let them idle anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes, depending on the weather. It is HARD (read impossible) to get an IH tractor into gear with the clutch engaged. You have something out of adjustment. You say you had everything apart. Did you put the springs back in the shift mechanism, if I remember right there are "poppet" springs and balls that put tension on the shift lever, without them the lever is loose, and the position of the lever is vague at best. It could have been partially in gear when started and perhaps vibrated into gear. In my mind, unless the parts are severely worn, it is impossible for it to shift gears by itself.

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Jimer

01-26-2008 10:09:27

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

My 300u started chasing me awhile back. I had started it from the ground. I can't figure out what happened, and don't have to. As I was told on this site, butt in the seat, clutch down, and you don't need to worry.

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Farmall Farris

01-26-2008 09:37:14

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

When I was a teenager, I worked for the local Case IH dealership. A guy had brought in a IH 544 and I was told to fill his rear tires with calcium cloride. I did the usual, I pulled around to the side of the building and I thought I had the valve stem in the upper most position. I killed the tractor and jumped off. After setting up the calcium pump I realized that the tire needed to move back another 18 inches or so. Me being young and dumb, standing on the ground, I put the tractor in reverse gear and was going to use the starter to bump the tractor back. I thought the fuel shutoff was out but I was wrong! As soon as I hit the starter it fired up and completely ran over a new Cub Cadet lawnmower before I could shut it off. I was not only lucky not to get fired but I escaped injury as well. From that day forward I have never started a tractor from the ground or left one running without me on the seat. I have always wondered why the engineers didnt put a PARK gate in the tranny.

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John M

01-26-2008 05:50:58

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

While Im glad your ok, 2 things come to my mind. I would never put my 6 year old on the tractor on the road. While I know its dangerous even in the yard, I do that, I can stop faster in the lower gears, which brings me to my second thought, did you not have the brakes on?

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spanky

01-26-2008 05:13:25

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

A few years ago I was working on my Gleaner F2 and while I was on the right side of it I must have touched a shift rod just right. It went into 3rd gear and was off like a shot. Fortunately it was idling and the variable drive was in a slower position. I was able to run after it climb aboard and stop it with in inches of a tree. It never ground a gear, just popped in and off it went. I didn't know I could run that fast still.

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Hugh MacKay

01-26-2008 04:35:55

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

Bulldog: I won't go quite as far as some of the rest did, reason being, I quite often start tractors from the floor or ground. I will say, if your going to do that, make damn sure everything is in neutral and the clutch is engaged or out. Don't let your arms come in contact with gear shift as your operating switch, starter or choke. I have seen these get bumped into gear during cranking, but never after the engine fires up. Of course one should never say, "never".

I do remember an old Chevy truck, (highway tractor) and I found this out one day on the road, clutch linkage came unhooked. I could shift gears while moving, but then how to get moving was the chalange. Tried putting it in 1st, cranking the starter, but with weight of trailer on fifth wheel, starter just didn't have it. I discovered by reving the engine and as I let off on accelerator I could put it in 1st gear if my timing was right. Did it several times after that, sucessful about 50%. It was raining heavily, thus shop at home seemed like a nice place to repair the clutch linkage.

SOOOooo maybe we best follow the idea of, in seat with clutch down. In other words, do as I say, not as I do.

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El Toro

01-26-2008 03:53:51

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

Are you sure it was completely out of gear? Hal

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Andy Motteberg

01-25-2008 21:01:35

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

I don't know why it jumped into gear, maybe it was partially in gear and jumped in the rest of the way???, but you should always be sitting on the tractor seat when you start or operate the tractor.

Andy.

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Janicholson

01-25-2008 20:59:55

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

There are few ways it can take off and go without first being in gear. Which would require the clutch to be down. Here is my thinking (and it happened to me 3 weeks ago).
If the tractor was standing idling in neutral the intermediate bearing could have gotten crossed up rollers and jambed just like a one way clutch. This causes the tractor to jump ahead like it was in high gear. It might not go very far due to the bad starting ratio, but it could move 2 to 3 feet.
I started our Subaru outback 2000 model, when it was 15 below Zero. I had it in Neutral (stick shift) and the engine was turning about 2500 on the start cold cycle. The Ebrake was applied fully. I got out to unhook the power cord from the engine heater , and as I reached down to undo it, the car made a snapping noise, and lurched hard forward. The emergency held the car, and it stopped the engine in 1/4 revolution. It scared the bejeeeebers out of me. I was convinced it was toast and ruined.
I got into the car, pressed in the clutch (A must do before starting) and it cranked right up and ran well. I began to let out the clutch, and the engine lugged down and it started to move forward.
I released the brake, and it would pull the car forward as though in fourth (direct). I went in and told my wife the car was toast. We both went out and it seemed as stuck as if welded. If put in any gear but 4th, it would kill the engine. (like two gears at once) in 4th it moved as described.
We put the car in Neutral, and pushed it backwards out into the alley with the clutch pushed down.
I was going to see if I could ride the clutch enough to get it to speed in that gear to see if it could be freed. We pushed maybe 20 feet.
I got in and started the car to try it. As I let out the clutch, it started to move then began (not all at once, to free up. After 2 to 4 seconds, it went completely free, and I was able to back and drive as normal. We have been driving it for the time sense with no issues. But we never trust it idling alone. Tell us more details.
JimN

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skyharborcowboy

01-25-2008 20:56:07

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

One other thought is that maybe the clutch is set up with not enough free play that allowed the clutch to drag spinning the transmission main shaft and the shift forks were just close enough to engage whichever gear it went into. In addition, it might be a good idea to make sure the brakes are set when starting the tractor next time.

Joe

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skyharborcowboy

01-25-2008 20:50:39

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Re: ran over in reply to Ksfarmmer, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

The other day I was going to start my 656 from out of the seat and thought about it for a tenth of a second decided I would never do that because you never know. I now know for sure that I will never do that!

The only thing I can think of is you either started it in gear and didnt realize it or there is some drag on the gears/shift forks in the transmission. Did you work on the tranny in your "Complete" restoration?

Joe

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old

01-25-2008 20:44:06

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

So I'm guessing you stared it and you where not on the seat, right???You should NEVER do that and you learned I hope to never do it again. When you start any tractor you should be sitting on the seat and have the clutch pedal pushed down for safety. Yes I start them off the seat all the time but I also make sure of a few things. Out of gear, clutch pedal down, and I'm quick/fast on my feet even for a disabled person.

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rwp

01-25-2008 20:34:43

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:13:13

I came from a big family and my dad didn"t want us
kids to get hurt or runover, so he put a lockout on the clutch and brake. I have got his tractor now, and before I will crank my Farmall over, I will use a lockout. You really have to be sitting on the tractor before you can disengage the lockout.

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TX. Bulldog

01-25-2008 20:43:12

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Re: ran over in reply to rwp, 01-25-2008 20:34:43

Can you tell me why it jumped into gear? The lockout sounds like a good idea.

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rwp

01-26-2008 08:19:14

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Re: ran over in reply to TX. Bulldog, 01-25-2008 20:43:12

Bulldog: I really can"t tell you what your problem was because I don"t have alot of information as to what you were doing at the time. There is a safety rule that I always liked: Take two and think it through. I always check and make sure my tractor is out of gear, look to see where my grandkids are (as they have a tendency to sneak up on me), and even started my garden tractor because I had left the key in it. My only other suggestion is to "think safety". The other reason my dad used to lock the clutch and brake out was because he did alot of belt work and needed it steady. We kids were always around helping him out cutting wood. He never would let us on the tractor when he was working it. These tractors will go in gear without using the clutch.

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sgt bull

01-26-2008 15:44:07

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Re: ran over in reply to rwp, 01-26-2008 08:19:14

Being in the seat anytime you start it is a good idea, but not always feasible. I have some of the older "GREEN" tractors and the only way you can start them is by standing in front of the left wheel and spinning the flywheel. I learned early on to check and recheck the gear shift, and disengage the clutch, and set the brakes. I always run them out of fuel to shut them off for the day. After one of them had sat for several days, I was spinning the flywheel to show a friend how the timing marks registered when the mag tripped. Figured there was no fuel in the carb and never thought it would fire... but it did.Guess my fuel shut off wasn't perfectly seated.... tractor fired and took off running for a few seconds. It wasn't in gear, but I hadn't checked it out of carelessness. Scared the CRAP out of me, but my buddy was too impressed with how easily it started to notice. I NEVER turn the flywheel at all without cking the gear shift and dont' start my RED tractors from the ground at all.

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