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Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal.

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davepitcairn

02-03-2008 13:06:06




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I have just started removing the rear oil seal on a Farmall C tractor. In removing it I think that I am seeing the seal, felt washer, and more concerning a bearing that appears to be compressed along with a portion of seal against the tractor's housing. The I&T service shop book that I have page 76 Fig IH-485 does not show a bearing until farther into the axle. Can anyone out there tell me if I am seeing a bearing? Or what I am seeing. When I first took a measurement there appeared to be 0.775 inches of distance along in the housing for the seal (which is 0.375 inches) before the bearing, however I am seeing something much smaller 0.100 or so please help Help. Anyone. Thanks Dave

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GA Dave

02-03-2008 18:38:58




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to Ed8844, 02-03-2008 13:06:06  
I got all this out of my IH 240 U PTO. replaced with a thin seal and no leaks. $4.99 (on sale) HF seal puller. David.third party image



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CNKS

02-03-2008 17:52:36




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to davepitcairn, 02-03-2008 13:06:06  
The original seals, as show in Fig 475, not 485, were leather, much thicker than the new ones. The seal in yours is likely a replacement, the distance depends on how far the last person drove it in, or how many thin ones he used. There could be two seals in there. Just pull the seal out and see what you have.



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Red Mist

02-03-2008 15:14:26




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to davepitcairn, 02-03-2008 13:06:06  
Exactly what seal are you working with? The title of your topic is the pto seal; in your text you first mention the rear seal (engine?); then, you mention an axle seal. I'm confused...!
mike



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ScottyHOMEy

02-03-2008 13:18:18




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to davepitcairn, 02-03-2008 13:06:06  
The dimensions you're giving aren't setting any bells off with me, but I wonder if you're seeing the top of another seal, instead of a bearing. The newer seals aren't as deep as the originals, and a lot of folks put two in, one over the other, when replacing old seals. Might anyone else have tried changing this seal out in the last few years?



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davepitcairn

02-03-2008 13:43:27




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 02-03-2008 13:18:18  
Thanks I never thought someone would knock in a second one on top of the first. The metal is soft behind the first one after the felt. Would the older seals have a back that would be metal also? Can you tell me what I would see at the bearing? pins bearings or ball bearings? Thanks Dave



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ScottyHOMEy

02-03-2008 14:25:09




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to davepitcairn, 02-03-2008 13:43:27  
Dave.

First, flip back one page. You're on the wrong drawing. Look at Fig. IH 475 on p. 74.

I'm not sure where your felt seal is coming from. Neither the tech drawings nor the parts catalog calls for one in there. The only felt seals I can think of, other than the rear main on the motor, on a C are the dust seals on the front wheels and out at the ends of the rear axles. It sure sounds like someone's been in there ahead of you trying to fix a leak.

Coming in from the outside, originally there was a seal, a bearing, a spacer/bushing and then another bearing.

That outer bearing, the first one you'd come to and see, will be a ball-bearing.

If you have trouble getting the second seal out, you can try getting a screw into it and pulling it by the screws (might take two or three to wiggle it) until she comes out.

As far as a fix . . . and assuming you have a leak . . .

The old original leather seals were double-lipped. The new ones aren't, and it's common to drive one in over the other. It doesn't alway make a good seal. The variable is where the wear from the old seals is on the shaft, and being able to get the new seals onto clean, unworn surfaces. Not being able to do so may be how your predecessor got the idea of trying the felt seal.

As a good fix, it might be worth putting a Speedi-sleeve on the shaft. I've scoured around and can't find a good dimension that you could use to order one. If nobody else here can come up with a measurement for you, it may mean pulling the shaft and having a machinist put his micrometer on it for you, but a Speedi-sleeve will give you a fresh surface for your seals (you'll still need two of the newer variety) to ride on the shaft. No felt seal outside them.

That's about all I can think of for now.

Let us know how you make out.

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davepitcairn

02-06-2008 16:54:32




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 Re: Farmall C rear PTO oil seal removal. in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 02-03-2008 14:25:09  
Epilogue: You asked me to let me know how I made out, and here is the answer. Your original statement that there may be more than one seal was correct. I Pulled out three. It appears that over time since the 70's (judgeing from the first seal) that two more were added. The space that I mentioned of 0.7 inches most were taken up by three seals were beaten on. I may add to this some pictures of what I saw once I have them on a URL. For those of you who have not messed with seals remember they are softer than cast iron, use tension to stay in place and when you install them have clean surefaces and lubication. When done paint them to help the next guy working on them. My guess is that the person my be a new born. Thanks All.

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