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Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later......

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1fortyfanatic

02-09-2008 19:42:53




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Hi all,

Update on my 140 losing power. Yep, new points, condenser and coil helped alot, but didn't quite get it done. So, after 5 hours of chisel, torch, hammer, pipe wrench, air hammer, yanking, sawzall (3 blades and a 1/8th inch gouge), soaking and all trying to get the muffler to release from the exhaust up pipe, I had an epiphany. Take the exhaust manifold off and remove the hood and muffler together.

Okay, so I can finally get at the engine. There has been an oil leak from somewhere up high and forward for a looonnnggg time, and there appears to be about 25 years oil grease dirt build up all up and around the front. I spent several hours just getting the 2 to 3 inches of crud build up off of the areas I wanted to work. The crank flywheel, the belt, even the fan were all riding on this crud and had about zero clearance. I'm surprised the engine would even turn over under battery power.
So the valve cover finally comes off, and there appear to be two bent push rods. (standing on the right side of the tractor in the offset) The 2nd rod on #4, and the 1st rod on #1 are both canted inward / bent, and riding on the head casting. Oh joy. In addition, I find out where the leak has been. Whoever put the valve cover on 25 years ago, managed to let the right front corner of the gasket completely miss the corner of the cover. Of course it has shrunk and it mica brittle, so I can't salvage that. And to add to the days festivities, I managed to poke a tiny hole in one of the radiator tubes, so i drained it and had to take off the radiator. I think I can patch the hole if I snip away a little bit of the fins surrounding, but I have no idea what kind of solder is proper!! Tin? Lead Acid core?? Anybody know??

Anyway, I'm going to put in two new push rods, adjust them and all, 2 new gaskets for the valve cover and the exhaust manifold, and one quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to help with the potentially sticky valves. Patch the radiator (hopefully) and my lost power issue should be history. By the way, 62 psi on #1, about 67 on #'s 2 and 3, and 60 on #4 cylinders. What is the right compression for the 140 four banger gas model?? Thanks to all that have helped and kept me going on this. Looks like I get to paint the engine a little sooner than I expected.

Dave

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Brownie450

02-11-2008 03:40:37




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 Re: Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later...... in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  
I've had good success soldering radiators with Kester acid core solder. CLEAN the leak area WELL & use a small amount of flux. I've seen lesser qualities of solder tried on a radiator repair, & they make a mess. Clean the area well with hot water with baking soda stirred in after soldering. Run some soda water inside the radiator also followed by a couple of flushes. This neutralizes any acid left behind.

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kossuth

02-10-2008 16:52:17




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 Re: one more thing in reply to Bud W, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  

1fortyfanatic said: (quoted from post at 17:43:18 02/10/08) A little late for that, heheheh. After writing, I went to work. Nobody locally has push rods, so I straightened the old ones, set 'em, and cranked it around several revolutions. They are still straight.

Patched the radiator, will see if it holds. Just waiting on gaskets now. Thanks Glenn.

Dave
Well if you straightened the pushrods then don't be surprised if they bend again or maybe even break this time. Pushrods should be made of a heat treated hardened alloy. Kinda like connecting rods if you bend em they're no good anymore. If you have a hard time finding pushrods or find that they are stupid expensive talk to a local speed and performance shop that does some engine building. You could order custom length pushrods, they do that all the time to get the valve geometry right on solid roller aluminum block engines and stuff like that.

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1fortyfanatic

02-10-2008 16:43:18




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 Re: one more thing in reply to CNKS, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  
A little late for that, heheheh. After writing, I went to work. Nobody locally has push rods, so I straightened the old ones, set 'em, and cranked it around several revolutions. They are still straight.

Patched the radiator, will see if it holds. Just waiting on gaskets now. Thanks Glenn.

Dave



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1fortyfanatic

02-10-2008 10:10:43




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 Re: Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later...... in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  
Roger that. Plumber's solder, don't over heat, clean, sand. Got it! Thanks Glenn!

Just made some calls to Napa and such. They can only get my valve cover gasket. Where is the best online source for parts?? Still need the exhaust gasket and two push rods.

Dave



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1fortyfanatic

02-10-2008 09:47:54




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 Re: Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later...... in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  
Thanks guys, I think I'll button her up. The compression hasn't changed all that much from a couple of weeks ago when she was running great. I can live with the power she was putting out before the bent push rods. There's no smoke when she's running, and I found the oil leak. In addition, my plan was to work her this winter, and start restoring her this summer, so if she needs rings, I'll get that this summer.

Anybody know what type of solder I need for the radiator repair??

Thanks again.

Dave

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glennster

02-10-2008 10:10:57




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 one more thing in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-10-2008 09:47:54  
opps forgot to mention, be sure to check the valves to be sure they will open before you put the valve cover back on. if they are stuck, they will bend your new push rods. soak em up with pb blaster, trans fuid, kerosene, then turn the motor over by hand and see if the valves open. if not, you gotta get em loose first, otherwise you will trash your new push rods.



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glennster

02-10-2008 10:07:30




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 Re: Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later...... in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-10-2008 09:47:54  
stop out at your nearest big box store or hardware store and get some plumbing solder and flux. its a lead free product nowadays, clean the area up good with sandpaper, 320 grit or get some plumbers sandpaper while you are at the store. apply flux to the area then solder. dot overheat the radiator, otherwise, other solder joints may fail.



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gene bender

02-10-2008 01:32:44




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 Re: Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later...... in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  
The important reading is that there isnt any difference from one to another. Thats why we take a reading to see if there is a bad one.



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ScottyHOMEy

02-09-2008 20:41:31




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 Re: Bent push rods, bad gasket, and 8 hours later...... in reply to 1fortyfanatic, 02-09-2008 19:42:53  
Before you button her up, Dave . . .

That compression sounds kinda low to me. It's good that it's fairly consistent, but I'm thinkin' 80 or better is more like good.

You might want to try squirtin' some oil in on top of each one and test each one again. If it comes up to more like 80, you likely need rings and need to think about whether you want to deal with that now, or put her back together and see how she runs. If the oil doesn't make the compression come up and it stays around 60-65 like you're getting now, by all means, set your valves, close her up and run her!

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