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How do you check transmission bearings?

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CenTexFarmall

03-21-2008 13:37:03




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Well, the Super M transmission sub-project is now officially out of hand! Pulled the top plate just to give it a good cleaning inside and check things. Then the "might as well"'s started. .

Now that I'm in one of these, it's not hard at all to work on. I'm thinking about pulling things apart and completely going through it. I've already got new axle, brake and PTO seals.

When I had the bull pinions in hand I noticed that the bearings had some play in them. Is there a way to check and quantify play in ball bearings? Obviously there has to be some play or they won't roll. But other than obvious mechanical damage what is the best way to check for wear?

Also is there a tolerance or spec for play in the input shaft pilot bearing? I couldn't find anything in the I&T manual. I haven't put a dial indicator on it, but my built in hand indicator feels like it's at about 5 thou.

It's my understanding, too, that the bull gears are symmetrical and can be swapped from side to side so as to run on the less worn side. Is that true? Can the bull pinions similarly be swapped side to side. That should put the teeth face that were reverse to run forward and reduce play, right?

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kfox

03-22-2008 04:54:48




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 Re: How do you check transmission bearings? in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-21-2008 13:37:03  
I swapped the bull gears & pinions in my H and replaced all the bearings a couple of years ago, it made the transmission sound like a new one.(except in reverse gear :-) ) ken



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CenTexFarmall

03-21-2008 20:07:47




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 Re: How do you check transmission bearings? in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-21-2008 13:37:03  
I haven't found any signs of corrosion yet on the bearings I've looked at. Overall this one seems to have below average hours on it. Truth is, even though I'm talking about flipping the bull gears, you have to look really close to see any difference from one side of the tooth to the other.

I am a little concerned about the pilot bearing and that was part of the original motivation for pulling the cover off, just to have a close look.

This one is going to take the place of my '50 M as main machine. The old '50 model is getting worn and is ready to be gone through stem to stern.

I've gotten past the hard part on the Super M, that is getting the wheel hubs loose! I swear there's at least two undisturbed coats of paint in that area. Those wheels haven't moved in decades. Time, heat, PB blaster and a five foot cheater have finally gotten them loose!

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riverbend

03-21-2008 17:28:47




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 Re: How do you check transmission bearings? in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-21-2008 13:37:03  
I usually look for mangled chunks of bearing cage, bearings with missing balls, etc.

If the bearings are not rough, they will probably be okay. New heavy duty bearings will cost you $50-$100 depending on the size and number of balls. If the cost does not put you off, it will not hurt anything to change out the 60 year old ball bearings. Replacing them later is twice as much work as replacing them now.

The one bearing that I would replace is the input shaft pilot bearing. It seems the most likely to fail.

I have never heard of swapping sides with the bull gears. It sounds like it might just work. You could always try it and let us know what happens. Myself, I like to keep everything in its original place.

I hate it when things go wrong with my H, but it is surely a pleaure to work on.

Greg

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Owen Aaland

03-21-2008 16:34:29




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 Re: How do you check transmission bearings? in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-21-2008 13:37:03  
I would not be too concerned about play in the bearings. What you need to check for is any pitting or roughness in either the balls or the races where the balls make contact. Excessive wear here will cause looseness.
Clean the bearing, blow dry with air, and then lightly oil it. When you spin the bearing it should spin freely without any roughness. Do not spin the bearing without oil or you may damage it.

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Roger46

03-21-2008 14:18:23




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 Re: How do you check transmission bearings? in reply to CenTexFarmall, 03-21-2008 13:37:03  
It kind of depends on what you are going to use the tractor for. If you are going to use it hard you may want to replace some of the higher speed bearing, but I usually only replace bearings if the cage it broken or there is gauling in the balls or you can see defects. Also, if the balls and/or the race are rusty you may want to replace. It also depends on how much money you want to spend as many of the transmission bearings are quite expensive, especially the larger ones. Five thousands play in those old transmissions, to me, is not much. I have a Super H that one of the pinion bearings went out and one of the failed balls got between the bull gear and the pinion and stopped the tractor. My dad wasn't thinking when he shifted to low gear, let out the clutch, and crunch, broke out one of the teeth in the bull gear. He actually had a new tooth welded back in and used the tractor for years after that. I bought the tractor from him and have had it for years and you only hear a little clunk every revolution when in road gear. Roger

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