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140 hydro remote?????

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SamC

04-22-2008 22:18:43

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I purchased a '64 140 last weekend and now have a question. Is it possible to put a remote (one way)hydraulic outlet on the tractor to operate remote cylinder? Is a "kit" available?

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Pete7

04-23-2008 14:28:18

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to SamC, 04-22-2008 22:18:43

The link below is to a by-pass block for a 140 that is for sale on eBay right now. Pete

By pass block

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Hugh MacKay

04-23-2008 09:36:52

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to SamC, 04-22-2008 22:18:43

Sam: After all these suggestions my personal preference is still a factory remote valve or secondly the junction block from Saginaw County Tractor. While the power beyond valve plumbed in will work, you whind up with a plumbing jungle. Some of those old C and SC tractors I remember plumbed into the system, had so many hoses you couldn'd jump off the tractor forward of the right rear wheel.

The Saginaw block is neat, port points back right along the transmission case between seat and gear shift, you can bolt the valve down behind the gear shift lever. The absence of plumbing jungles quite important on a small tractor.

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Randy in NE

04-23-2008 04:58:59

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to SamC, 04-22-2008 22:18:43

You will also need to add a hydraulic reservoir of some kind. The units do not have enough capacity to run a one-way cylinder. A two way is not a problem since the oil from the back side of the cylinder replaces the oil used to position the cylinder. Like Hugh said the priority valve that comes with the Saginaw would work.

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Hugh MacKay

04-23-2008 06:14:58

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to Randy in NE, 04-23-2008 04:58:59

Randy: I think the extra reservoir is a good idea even with a double action cylinder. These systems work on very little oil and need the added reservoir for heat disapation if nothing else. I realize the other end of the double action cylinder helps, but more can't hurt.

I always considered all the first Farmall live double action systems, be it offset, SC-200, 300 or 400 to be lacking in oil capacity. One minor leak in a remote valve curcuit and you could be low in hydraulic oil very quickly, just not enough reserve.

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gene bender

04-23-2008 04:38:03

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to SamC, 04-22-2008 22:18:43

Some just braze a tee in the lines then add a control valve.

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mkirsch

04-23-2008 08:44:11

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to gene bender, 04-23-2008 04:38:03

gene bender said: (quoted from post at 04:38:03 04/23/08) Some just braze a tee in the lines then add a control valve.

Not if they want it to actually work, they don't.
Hydraulic oil is like electricity. It takes the path of least resistance.

Normally, the oil is just pumped around and around in a big loop at low pressure. It sucks out of the reservoir, goes through the pump, runs through the open touch control valves, and dumps back into the reservoir.

There's no pressure. Pressure only develops if you activate one of the touch control valves to redirect the fluid into a touch control cylinder. Once the cylinder is moved, it goes back to the normal low-pressure loop.

If you just tee off the lines, you create two loops. As soon as you try to use the valve connected to those tees, all the fluid will just go the other way back into the reservoir.

Same goes if you try to tap off the pipe plugs in the hydraulic manifold on the reservoir. You've created two loops, and the fluid will always go down the path of least resistance to get to the reservoir.

A factory remote valve, or a bypass block, will maintain that single loop, but allow you to add another valve to that loop.

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gene bender

04-24-2008 04:44:57

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to mkirsch, 04-23-2008 08:44:11

Thers some near me they run blades and stuff in a small town clearing drives ect and thats the way they do it. also some just take out the plugs at the rockshaft connection and do a neat job of running the hoses. Farmer have found ways to make thing work as when those tractor were new before fast hitch people were making loader for them Henderson for one is still in business today and they sold lots of loaders for the S and SA even Bs with an aux pump. ENERGY and the CHAR-LYNN POWER PAC were a couple of pumps used.

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Hugh MacKay

04-23-2008 09:22:54

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to mkirsch, 04-23-2008 08:44:11

mkirsch: Not completely so, if you just break into the high pressure line, use a power beyond remote valve, with the return heading back to the high pressure line to the touch control, it will work.

You can also achive the same without cutting the line, if you tap into the correct ports where the lines enter the touch control. I seen many a C and SC equipped with loaders and plumbing done that way. They could use either their remote or the touch control rockshafts with the touch of the proper lever.

Personally I tapped into the high pressure line of a Farmall 300 with a power beyond remote valve, ran the return from power beyond valve on to the hydra touch and I had 5 remote valves, 2 on the power beyond valve and the 3 factory on tractor, all available at the touch of a finger.

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Hugh MacKay

04-23-2008 02:40:27

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Re: 140 hydro remote????? in reply to SamC, 04-22-2008 22:18:43

Sam: Yes it is possible to install a remote controle valve. There was a factory controll valve as an option back when these tractors were in production. I expect it is a hard item to find, so few of the offset tractors were ever equiped with a remote valve. That factory remote if you can find one is a neat package, as it bolts directly to side of touch control unit, then modified pipe from pump attach to the valve. If you want to look at one, all SC and 200 with fast hitch have the same valve. In fact that would be best source for a factory valve.

There is another possibility, Saginaw County Tractor manufacture a junction block that fits between touch control unit and pipes coming from pump. It has a port for attaching a remote. You can also tap into those plugs on the back side of pipes where they attach at touch control unit.

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